Common Monarch Ailments 101

8/7/2018

Many people have been asking, “What's wrong with my Monarch caterpillar/egg/chrysalis?”

This is a list of the MOST common problems that the Monarch Rearer may encounter and how you can either avoid your Monarch from being infected or avoid the infection from spreading to your other caterpillars. Hopefully these tips and indicators can help you raise healthier Monarchs in the future!

Warning: Some photos may seem graphic or unpleasant.

UPDATE: Flea and tick treatment along with several cleaning products in your home can be deadly to Monarchs caterpillars.

We recently received this tip from one of our readers.
Any flea or tick prevention given to cats or dogs, both topically applied and orally administered, are toxic to Monarch larvae.
Allowing your treated cat or dog to rub against your Monarch's cage can cause harm or death to the caterpillars inside. Petting your animal after treatment and then gathering milkweed leaves or touching anything in your Monarch's cage can harm your caterpillars.
Also, be aware of any potentially toxic cleaning products you may be using around your caterpillar cage such as Febreeze, other air fresheners, carpet cleaners, Windex, or Lysol. Remember that these are very delicate creatures and even small doses of chemicals can be fatal.

Prevention: Whenever interacting with your Monarch caterpillars make sure you washed your hands prior and/or wear gloves to be sure that your hands are free of any chemicals. Try to use natural cleaning products inside the room your caterpillars are living.

Black Death

What is Black Death?
As the name suggests, this is a fatal and very unpleasant ailment for the Monarch. Black Death is a general yet appropriate term used to describe the effects of two different infections. Pseudomonas is a bacteria that thrives in moist environments and Nuclear polyhedrosis virus (NPV) is a virus.

How to tell if your Monarch has Black Death:
Your caterpillar may be fine one day and the next start to become lethargic, start to deflate, refuse to eat and start to turn a darker color. Sometimes their chrysalises will turn dark brown or they pupate and then liquefy into a black goo. This can be a traumatic experience for the Monarch Rearer but once your caterpillar has contracted Black Death, it is nearly impossible to save them and the best thing to do is remove it immediately from the cage and disinfect anything it may have touched in order to prevent it from spreading to other caterpilalrs.

Note: NPV causes the caterpillar to climb to a high spot, hang in an l or inverted V shape, and die. The caterpillar then liquefies inside and when the skin of the caterpillars splits open, the black goo will send millions of virus particles on its surroundings. The smell is very pungent. If a caterpillar lies at the bottom of a rearing container (instead of crawling higher in the container) and dies either firm or mushy, it is not infected with NPV.

How to prevent Black Death

The Pseudomonas bacteria like moist, warm environments so try to keep your butterfly cage dry, well-ventilated and out of direct sunlight.
Clean the frass (butterfly poop) everyday and disinfect the tray before putting it back in the cage.
Gently rinse and dry milkweed before putting into your cage.
If you see any signs of an unhealthy caterpillars or chrysallises (read indicators above), isolate it from the other caterpillars.

O.E. (Ophryocystis elektroscirrha)

What is OE?
OE is a protozoan parasite that is spread through microscopic spores coming off the wings and bodies of adult butterflies. These spores are packed in between scales on the Monarch's body and when it lays eggs, often attaches to the egg shell. Because OE is a parasite, it relies on a living host and will generally not kill Monarchs but will lead to weakness, disfigurement, and lethargy. Eventually it may die from sheer exhaustion.

How to tell if your Monarch has OE:
You won't be able to tell if a Monarch has OE until it's in the pupal or adult stage. Infected chrysalises won’t have a uniform green color. You can check your chrysalis closely to make sure it's dark spots are mirrored on both sides. Heavily infected Monarchs may not emerge or if they do they may be deformed or too weak to hold on.

How to prevent OE:

Gentry rinse off milkweed with water before giving it to your caterpillars
Clean out frass and disinfect the cage everyday
In warmer regions where tropical milkweed grows all year, cut plants back to 6″ twice a year so fresh healthy foliage can emerge.

Tachinid Flies

What are Tachinid Flies?
Tachinid flies can be difficult to differentiate from other flies in your garden. However, if you look closely, you will see that they are hairy and have huge red eyes.

How tell if your Monarch was infected by a Tachinid Fly:
This is one of the easiest Monarch infections to identify. They lay eggs on monarch caterpillars and once hatched, the maggots will bore into the caterpillar and feed on them while they are still living. You can generally tell if your caterpillar has been infected if it suddenly gets much skinnier and will sometimes die while attempting to form it’s chrysalis. These flies also lay eggs inside chrysalises. After it’s host has died, the maggots will emerge, leaving tell-tale white strands of silk hanging from the caterpillar or chrysalis.

How to prevent Tachinid Flies:

Closely inspect monarch caterpillars before bringing them inside and choose ones that are second Instar or even smaller.
Keep a close eye on your caterpillars and eggs

Pesticide Poisoning

Sadly, it occurs quite often where nurseries treat their milkweed with pesticides or roadsides/fields are sprayed where you collected milkweed/caterpillars unknowingly.

How to tell if your Monarch has come into contact with Tainted Milkweed:
If your caterpillar has ingested pesticides it will often expel green vomit.

How to avoid this from happening:

If you notice your caterpillar vomit, gently rinse off the caterpillar under water and put it on a different (untreated) milkweed plant immediately.
Plant a large amount of milkweed in your garden so you don’t have to buy milkweed elsewhere
If you have to buy milkweed from a nursery, ask if they have been treated with ANY pesticides
If there isn’t a local provider close to you, check online for untreated milkweed seeds .
Proceed with caution even when companies list their products as safe for beneficial insects. Even organic products can be unsafe for caterpillars such as Neem Oil and Diatomaceous Earth

Trichogramma Wasps

What are Trichogramma Wasps?
They are tiny parasitic wasps that inject a single egg into the eggs of the pest. After consuming the contents of its host egg, a new adult wasp will emerge within 10 days.

How to tell if your Monarch has come into contact with Trichogramma Wasps:
If your egg turns completely dark keep an eye on it for the next couple of days to make sure a Monarch doesn’t hatch. If it doesn’t hatch, squeeze the egg inside of the leaf and dispose of the leaf.

How to avoid:

When gathering Monarch eggs, try to get them inside right away

Chalcid Wasps

What are Chalcid Wasps?
This is another tiny, parasitic wasp that waits for the perfect moment to attack your beloved caterpillar. It will approach when the caterpillar is in it’s vulnerable “J” stage and wait for it to form a chrysalis. Then, right afterwards, it lays hundreds of its eggs in the soft chrysalis.

How to tell if your Monarch has been infected by Chalcid Wasps:
Look for small black dots where it appears they have deposited their eggs.

How to avoid:

When gathering Monarch eggs, try to get them inside right away
Use fine mesh enclosures to raise monarchs. Larger holes in laundry baskets will allow these impossibly small wasps access to your monarchs during this most-vulnerable time.
If raising outdoors, do not leave your habitat open for long periods while cleaning and check the cage for flying insects before closing

Anal Prolapse

When this occurs, the caterpillar’s rectum protrudes from its anus, leaving a bright green ball at the end of your caterpillar. It’s not known what causes this, but it’s always fatal to the caterpillar.

Resources

https://monarchbutterflygarden.net/common-monarch-diseases-prevention/
http://butterflyfarms.org/monarch-predators-parasites-and-diseases/
https://monarchjointventure.org/resources/faq/common-monarch-problems
https://butterfly-fun-facts.com/oe-ophryocystis-elektroscirrha-monarch-butterfly/

343 Comments

Renee Larsen

9/15/2018 04:52:46 am

This is the most complete explanation I have seen. Is there a way to share it by e-mail or FB?

Marilyn Rackley

10/2/2018 10:54:11 am

I was trying to find an answer for this lady I met on a Boxer lovers site. She had a pic of a beautiful large Monarch sitting on the nose of her boxer and also in her hand and she said the butterfly appeared lethargic. She wanted to know why. I had created a Habitat for Monarchs some time ago and I remembered they can appear very docile but I didn't know why!

dee lee

12/5/2018 09:52:10 pm

please remember that any flea prevention given to cats&dogs -- topically applied or orally administered -- can affect these delicate creatures. the chemicals are effective through the pet's skin & fur, so even when petting them, care must be made to wash hands before handling cats or butterflies.

Rebecca

6/19/2019 08:36:26 am

Hello Marilyn!
Thank you for your question. Do you know if her Monarch was freshly emerged from the chrysalis? For about 24 hours after emerging from their chrysalis, the Monarch will appear lethargic. It is important not to touch their wings at this stage because they are still drying and can be damaged. Thank you for reading!

Rachel

8/27/2019 12:39:45 pm

Did anyone ever get an answer? I just found a large monarch lying somewhat on its side in our lawn. I thought it was dead. I used a small stick to put under his legs and belly and it moved. Barely at all, but loved. I lifted it up and put it on a table and it’s wings are trembling almost like they’re in a strong breeze. There is no damage at all to its wings. It will not fly though. It has been sitting there for hours. I can’t find anything damaged or wrong with it but it won’t fly and it’s wings just shake like a ton of wind is blowing on it. Any advice?

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6/19/2019 08:34:39 am

Hello Renee!
Thank you for reading. You can share this blog by copy and pasting the link to Facebook. We will try to add a Facebook share button in the future to make it easier.

Jaime

9/3/2019 09:24:45 pm

Hi Rachel sounds like the butterfly you found must have just emerged and probably had fallen before she was completely dry, that might explain the movement of her wings. Butterflies need their wings dry and their muscles warm before they can take flight.

Heidi

12/12/2021 10:38:00 pm

If a butterflys wings shake that means it is cold i know that this is tru due to experiance and keeping caterpillars for 3 years.

nan mazzuco

9/11/2020 04:07:56 am

It is September and I have 3 chrysalis that turned black 15 days after forming yet are still black for 34 days later. I have been raising monarchs for 3 years and only saw this happen once before (last year).
What gives? Can anyone shed some light on this. I'm assuming they have aborted at this point.

Kelly Gibson

9/2/2021 07:34:24 am

Its the BLACK DEATH and I lost 15 catapillars and 4 chrysalis and there habitats were clean.

Savhanna

8/28/2021 11:54:09 am

Hello, I know this old but I have been trying to figure out what is wrong with one of my monarchs. The caterpillers black lines do not meet up at the top it has gaps in the lines and is not eatting.

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Mary Berchiatti

8/1/2022 09:44:49 am

My monarch egg finally hatched, but the baby continually just crawls in circles

Lukasz Chlewicki

6/28/2023 12:22:07 pm

I have had this ailment. One year all is well, then the next year I start getting all of these "black deaths". However, I think I have the ACTUAL reason of what is causing these deaths, and it has nothing to do with NPV, nor Pseudomonas, nor OE. These risks are WAY overblown.

From what I gather from the internet, NPV has NEVER been isolated in mass rearing operations. It's suspected, but noone ever actually checks and confirms microscopically.

What i noticed last year and my first batch this year that was raised on an artificial diet was that Monarch cats are very aggressive towards each other and food. I caught them on multiple occasions biting each other. Every day I would find deflated cats and I lost about 90% of them. I pulled the biggest ones out pretty early and they were perfect butterflies.

If these had NPV, they would have all died in 2-3 days, this is not the case at all. Saying that NPV leads to pseudomonas infection is not true because the NPV kills them faster than what would be an obvious pseudomnas infection. My hypotheis was that the monarchs were simply biting each other, causing wounds that get infected, they start getting black bands or spots, then they form chrysalides and once they start metamorphosis, the bacteria spreads systemically and kills the chrysalis.

So my next batch I separated the cats and put one per container or two or three. I have had ZERO deaths in the single ones and NO black spots or bands.

If my rearing area was highly contaiminated with NPV, all of these would have the same fate, but they don't

THe only cat death I had was in a container of 3., I am back up to over 90% survival.

So in short, don't crowd and make sure you have lots of extra milkweed and you will never see this problame again.

8/20/2024 04:06:28 pm

Last year and at the beginning of the year had ton of successful monarchs, cats, etc. Started getting a ton of aphids and I see smaller cats dying, trying to hang and drying out. I have a ton of monarchs but I am not seeing many chrysalis around. I can usually spotted a few. Weather has been hot, I water the plants to keep them alive but not sure why they all seem to by dying.

Jan

9/27/2018 07:29:04 am

Ive been watching a chrysalis for 2 weeks. It appears darker and I can see lines from the pattern of the wings. The dot attaching the chrysalis to the now dead milkweed leaf has been very dark for a week. Is it ok? The temps have been fluctuating from 40s to 60s. Should I take it inside and surround it with goldenrod and flowers frm the garden?

6/19/2019 08:40:09 am

Hello Jan,
Thank you for your question! The Monarch will generally be in the pupae (chrysalis) stage for 9-14 days. The chrysalis will turn clear right before it emerges and you will be able to see the wings inside. Hopefully this helps!

Iris Marie Bloom link

10/25/2019 08:52:00 am

Hi, just so you know, I've had one Monarch emerge this year after being in chrysalis for 24 days! I also know Maraleen Manos Jones had one for 30 days in chrysalis. Both emerged just fine and flew away after drying wings, in my case, for a full days since it was cloudy and cold out. When the sun came out on her second day of life, and temperature rose to 65, we brought her out into the sun on a flower, she nectared a bit on my Butterfly Bush, then flew away! (Heading south). She was able to grip, nectar, move and fly just fine. My theory is that as the nights get colder, they develop more slowly inside the chrysalis. Same with J. I had one mature big 5th instar cat hang in his J for 3 days before he made his chrysalis! Wow. And the chrysalis is developing just fine.

COLINDA RICE

9/30/2020 05:41:08 am

I have have several chrysalis in an outside screen enclosure take over 20 days to emerge, some come out fine and some not so good. I think that the very cold temps we experienced at the beginning of september has caused the delay in the monarch development, but the extended time taken in chrysalis has weekend some of them to the point of not being able to emerge or hold on to the shell to expand there wings. I also had the Chalcid Wasps(first time I 've seen those) infecting some. Hard to tell at this point which chrysalises are going to emerge properly and they are running out of time and weather!

RMS

10/4/2018 01:36:01 pm

Yesterday I went over to one of my butterfly bushes in my backyard to count monarchs. I saw one that seemed to have green legs but when I looked closer it was a preying mantis leg. The mantis had the monarch in its grasp. I took the mantis off the bush, but it was too late and had ripped the head off the monarch.

Today a new monarch emerged from its chrysalis. It was fine and was flirting about on a different butterfly bush in my front (not back) yard. I just went outside and found it dead on the butterfly bush. I think it still has its head, but the head is sort of deflated oe collapsed. I looked all around and inside the butterfly bush and could not find a mantis.

I noticed some tiny black spots on the deck railing under the area where the butterfly was found. They look slightly bigger than pepper flakes and are perfectly round. This makes me wonder — did a mantis kill yesterday’s butterfly or was it already dead and the mantis took advantage of an opportunity to eat it?

This is my first year with monarchs. I planted common and swamp milkweed last year and only noticed my first chrysalis about a month ago. Since then I’ve had 5 monarchs hatch. I have 3 more chrysalides and they seem somewhat small and haven’t changed color yet.

Lindsey

7/19/2019 12:49:57 pm

A mantis will only eat food that moves.

Donna-Jo Grove

6/6/2020 03:51:08 pm

I have a monarch caterpillar that has climb to the top of the cage I made to protect them. He has wandered since
9:00 this morning. It is now 6:00
I notice now he has stopped moving and is moving his head back and forth. Can you tell me what is going on? No will pad yet

6/10/2020 07:40:56 pm

It's probably going to molt?

9/3/2019 09:31:22 pm

The crysalides will stay on this stage from 10 to 14 days before they turn dark and emerge, they're also like us of different sizes.Hope this helps

LeeLee

6/6/2020 07:13:15 pm

Donna Jo....absolutely normal. They stop after several hours & when moving head back & forth is when they are creating silk pad.

Ginger link

10/10/2020 05:49:28 pm

Listen to this about Praying Mantis - they are awful - the ones we all have are invasive not native and they eat beneficial pollinators, hummingbirds and butterflys - ALIVE - it is awful. Awful to see and not good for the garden like we all believe.
you should kill them when you find them and kill the eggs packet when you find that too.
Listen to this interview about them.
https://www.ecobeneficial.com/2014/04/praying-mantis-confidential/

Deanna Bender

7/18/2021 01:08:28 pm

Actually, not all of us have invasive Chinese mantids so please don’t tell people to kill the ootheca they find. I raise both Carolina mantids which are native and monarchs. I’ve never had an issue as I bring the eggs to an outdoor screened in location. I never use pesticides so I need my mantids.

Linda Vincent

10/12/2018 12:11:06 pm

I have a healthy black monarch, and four that are almost all black, very large eating good. Should I move them to ther own cage. They don’t get sun or slot of light.

6/19/2019 08:25:41 am

If there is a chance of an infected Monarch cat, I would always isolate them to keep an eye on them and to avoid spreading anything to other cats. Thank you for your question!

9/3/2019 09:34:09 pm

Caterpillars as well as crysalides should be kept away from direct sunlight.

12/5/2018 09:55:48 pm

I have one cat 3rd instar developed blackened skin 5 days ago, yet eats & poops voraciously, very active, getting big & fat....but hasn't molted in over a week. none of other cats have the black skin nor molting cessation. Any advice?

Kristy D

5/16/2019 12:37:41 pm

Mine turn a dark almost black before the go up to their J and chrysalis.

Michelle Vincent

9/17/2021 12:13:26 am

My cat turned blackish underneath while in the j and then form the chrys it seems darker then the others in the enclosure. Is that ok

6/19/2019 08:24:34 am

It's possible that your cat may be infected. I would isolate it to a container by itself so that you can keep an eye on it and so that it doesn't infect any other cats you may be rearing. Best of luck!

Candace Glasgow

4/11/2019 05:09:12 am

My caterpillar started making its chrysalis two days ago. There's a small green cap of the chrysalis that formed at the bottom, but nothing has happened since. I'm trying to figure out how long this stage lasts or if the caterpillar has died. :(

6/19/2019 08:22:28 am

Hello Candace!
Thank you for your question. Usually the caterpillar will form it's chrysalis in 24-36 hours after getting into the 'J' position. Often this will happen at night or in early morning. If it has not formed a complete chrysalis by then, it is very likely that it has been infected with some sort of pest or disease. What you can do is take a piece of thread or floss to gently remove the silk pad from its cage and isolate it so that you can keep an eye on it and so that it doesn't infect other cats you may be raising. Good luck and please keep us updated!

Karen

7/27/2020 08:54:24 pm

Hi Rebecca
I have a Cat that was in the J position for about 2-3 days then today I noticed him on the bottom of the cage crawling around frantically...he doesn't seem to have any silk and is very lethargic...please help.

Karen link

5/20/2019 04:29:28 pm

What a fabulous site, thank you for all of the information that you share with all of your fellow Monarch lovers. I have been raising Monarchs for years and this is the first time that I came across this situation. I have a chrysalis that is pink, apricot on color. The cat seemed perfectly healthy and robust, became a a normal gorgeous green chrysalis and within a few hours turned pink, apricot in color. The chrysalis is not dry or wrinkled like Black Death not does it have any dark spots. None of my other chrysalis are this color or have any other diseases. Would you happen to know what is/has happened to this chrysalis? I took photos to give you an idea of the color that I’m talking about. Thank you again for all of your help! I’m going to try to send a photo for you to see.

Jackee Rettler

7/17/2020 12:56:06 pm

In reply to the person about the pink or apricot colored chrysalis. I discovered that I had Tropical Queen butterflies mixed in with my Monarchs this year. They look exactly like a Monarch on the outside of the wings but are a darker color and their body matches the inside of the wing color. They also eat milkweed, but their chrysalis can be pink!
The caterpillars have similar coloring to the monarchs, but they have an extra set of black spikes sticking up and the coloring is brighter as they mature.

5/20/2019 04:51:06 pm

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6/19/2019 08:17:59 am

Hi Karen,
Thank you so much for reading! I'm sorry to hear about your caterpillar. My best guess is that it is a bacterial disease similar to Black Death called Pseudomonas. The best thing you can do at this point is to remove any other cats you may have in the cage and disinfect the cage thoroughly to prevent it from spreading to any other cats. Best of luck!

Louise Bianco

6/18/2019 08:58:23 am

My monarch caterpillar began its chrysallis formation, but has stalled in the J formation. Should I be concerned?

Rebecca Chandler

6/19/2019 08:11:40 am

The Monarch will generally take one full day to form it's chrysalis while in the J stage. I have found that they often form the chrysalis at night or early morning. I would not be concerned yet and give it as much time alone and without interruption as possible. Thank you for your question!

Heather Bednar

6/23/2019 08:28:51 am

so many of my cats die from anal prolapse. It is so sad to watch them eat, look so healthy, go into J position and then it strikes! they appear to lose their strength to hold their heads up in j, then the bright green appears. I euthanize them since it says it is always fatal. Does anyone have an idea what causes it. It it very depressing for this to happen to mostly all of them.

Hello my name is Denise I have a monarch caterpillar n it's on the outside of the pot 4 2 days n it's just sitting there what's going on

7/27/2020 10:10:13 am

I have a monarch caterpillar on the outside of the pot n it's been there 4 2 days . What's it doing

Denise

7/27/2020 10:51:18 am

My cat has been on the side of the pot for 2 days
N it's still alive . I'm new at this. N I don't know
What it's doing . Help

Marilynn

9/14/2020 04:55:22 pm

I know this is a late answer to your question but I happened across your post while looking for an answer to a question I have. I hope by now the cat you mentioned has formed their chrysalis, and emerged as a healthy butterfly! Don’t worry, they take days sometimes to form their chrysalis’ and stay still for a day or more depending upon the weather and time of year...Good luck!

Regina M Glanville

2/20/2021 07:49:33 am

I know this is late, too, but I just had this happen to me! I thought my cat was dying! He just stayed on the outside of the saucer for over 2 days! So, this morning (as all the Milkweed had been eaten), I cut a fresh piece of butternut squash, put a glove on, and very gently pried him off the pot! I put him right on the squash, and he's been moving around and eating ever since!!

Catherine Woeber

1/10/2022 01:49:24 am

Heather, you may have realised by now that the bright green that appears when a cat is pupating is in fact the start of the chrysalis! Anal prolapse looks like green jelly and is not at all common. I've seen it only twice in 4 years of raising monarchs.

Antonette

6/30/2019 12:13:34 pm

Hello. I have monarch host plant milkweed species on my patio garden in containers. I have had good success with nature taking it's course and have had lots of butterflies emerge. I have had about 2 rounds of caterpillars making it to butterflies. However all of a sudden my caterpillars are all dieting. I find them at the base of the plants in the dirt. They are either dead or lethargic, They do not appear to be black and I do not use any pesticides. Although the plants are in moist and full sun. So they do meet the conditions of the Pseudomonas bacteria Any trouble shooting ideas or any ways to treat the bacteria if the plants are outside? Thank you

Voi King link

4/22/2021 02:05:18 am

could b wasps?

Angela

7/1/2019 08:21:15 am

Thanks for the great information. I’m heartbroken to say our Monarch appears to have been attacked by fly larva. :(. It is fully black in its chrysalis. There are 6 larva in bottom of cage.

Will the Monarch survive? Should we assume it’s dead? We don’t want to give up on it.

Elisabeth link

7/31/2019 11:01:26 pm

It’s definitely dead. Sorry :(

Loretta Silecchia

7/4/2019 10:58:56 am

I am in SC. My cats are going good until they emerge from chrysalis. They are in mesh hamper cages. A few have died in j form but all of my butterflies emerged perfectly formed but can’t hang on. I had one today on the cage floor, I was able to get it to hang on to a twig with one foot and then it just died.It had been able to hang on to puff his wings out but that was it.
So upsetting not sure what to do anymore. I do not even see any monarchs laying eggs. Maybe another type of milkweed doesn’t have the parasite. I have Asclepius curassavia milkweed

Jeri

8/18/2019 10:05:07 pm

This is a bit late, and maybe you found your answer, but when they are weak, cannot hold on and are usually crumpled, they are infected with OE. Disinfect whatever it was in contact with as OE is like glitter and scatters everywhere from the wings. It is highly contagious in the sense it can be on anything an affected butterfly touches or comes near, like milkweed leaves. It is dreaded by us all and I have had a lot of them this year. Hope this helps

Luke

9/1/2020 06:57:29 am

I see this sometimes on the butterflies that emerge from chrysalides that fall to the enclosure floor. For some reason, they have a harder time getting out and climbing up the wall to hang their wings. You only have a limited time to get them to grab onto something. But since they struggle to get out, alot of energy is wasted and they have less strength to hold on.
Sometimes the chrysalis stays attached to the abdomen and I help pull the butterfly out and hang it on the top so it can stretch it's wings.
In my case, you may say it is OE, but it is simply bad luck. I bleach all my plants, leaves and eggs for 10 minutes followed by several water washes. I bleach all my enclosures and tupperwares and then sun dry them for UV treatment. I clean the cages daily.
In addition, sometimes with overcrowding or if another cat starts touching the newly forming chrysalis, you will get irregularities on the outside that make emerging more difficult.

Marian

7/24/2019 12:11:45 pm

Thank you for the helpful information. Although not a common, a first intar cat can be infected by the fly. One of my first instar cats in my yard came down with it. My daughter noticed a suspicious white spot on it's back. I mainly rescue eggs now because Tachnid fly is too present in my yard. 95% of the wild caterpillars are infected. But I decided to collect this cat and watch it. It ate moderately well until 5th instar, but I always noticed that it was smaller than my other caterpillars. When it finally molted to 5th instar, it was about half the size of a normal newly formed 5th instar and a day later tried to J unsuccessfully. It eventually died and I opened it up to discover a couple fly larva inside.

Mary Ap

6/21/2020 01:47:04 am

Regular fruitfly traps (likewlike redvred apples containingtcontaining applefapple cider vinegar) will kill tachinid flies. I place one near every milkweed plant and it helps a lot to get rid of them.

Tera

7/26/2019 01:24:38 pm

Two of my caterpillars look lifeless. They are underneath a luge and hanging on only by half their feet. Their heads are just hanging down. Not in a J. More of an arc. I'm worried that its two of them. Could it be a sickness?

8/20/2019 05:40:21 pm

It sounds like they may be infected. The only thing you can do is to prevent the sickness from spreading to other caterpillars. To do this, you can carefully move the chrysalis with a Q-tip or string to another cage and monitor them closely. In addition, clean the cage thoroughly before adding other caterpillars. Best of luck!

Penny Curtis

7/27/2019 06:52:43 am

I have a monarch caterpillar that has formed u-shape but hasn't formed crystalis..its been about 12 hrs since it attached. Is it ok?

Carla

7/28/2019 03:06:44 pm

Please help. A fifth instar caterpillar was wandering off the milkweed plant, looking for a place to J. It climbed up the side of my house, but then fell onto the rocks below. It was “bleeding”, but the bleeding stopped. However, it seems unable to use its hind prolegs and is dragging itself along with its true legs and first few prolegs. Does it have a chance or should it be euthanized?

Emily

7/29/2019 05:23:32 pm

I have a mesh cage that i keep my cats in. I started with 5 monarch caterpillars. They ferociously ate the large milkweed plant, but only one fed off of the smaller milkweed plant as far as i know. I have one that formed a chrysalis on the wdge of the pan, 3 have disappeared (its kindof the end of the summer for the box and there are plenty of places to escape thanks to rain and wind, or they have made their chrysalises someplace i cant easily see). I see no dead cats anywhere in my enclosure. Today i noticed one writhing around. I have taken him out, rinsed him and placed him in a new place with fresh leaves from one of my wild plants (that i know I didnt treat with anything). It is possible that my plants weren't grown with out pesticides, but none of the others seem to have died and there is no vomit that i have seen. Just writhing. What could it be?

Christine Miller

6/19/2021 03:33:42 pm

I've noticed caterpillars writing in the dirt below the plants, and couldn't figure it out, but then I saw a tachnid fly divebomb a caterpillar right in front of me, and the poor thing fell off the plant, writhing. I guess that's what's been happening, it's their reaction to having the fly lay it's egg inside of it. Horrible.

Pat

7/30/2019 11:17:42 am

This is our third year raising monarchs. First year was enormously successful. Second year started to get black chrysalis on most of them. So we removed the old plants and bought new ones this year. Disaster! They are all black and dead. We have dozens of eggs, butterflies visit every day.

Pat Dellios

8/4/2019 04:54:30 pm

Help!

8/20/2019 05:42:40 pm

Did you clean your cage thoroughly before adding new caterpillars? If there was an infection, the infected cats need to be isolated and the cage needs to be cleaned with a diluted solution of bleach if possible. Best of luck!

mari

8/4/2019 01:13:05 pm

The chrysalis form nicely with a good color then all of a sudden when it was about time to become a butterfly it turn black and could not remove itself from the Chrysalis What to do?
If there is a desease how do I get rid of it the leaves of the milkweed have black spot and then it urn yellow and dies Are they connected?

8/20/2019 05:45:05 pm

Did the chrysalis turn black or clear? Before a butterfly emerges the chrysalis will turn clear which appears black but this should only last for 18-48 hours. The best thing you can do is to remove the potentially infected cat or chrysalis before it infects the others and clean the cage thoroughly.

Jade

8/10/2019 11:15:54 am

I have hatched many monarchs in my life but have never seen it happen until today. At first what it was doing was normal then the chrysalis broke in half and the butterfly fell. Parts of the chrysalis were stuck to the butterfly and it was unable to release its frass. It hasnt moved since but is still alive. And only 1 of its legs are working.

8/20/2019 05:46:27 pm

Once infected, the best thing you can do is prevent other cats from getting infected. Remove the potentially infected caterpillar and put it in another cage to be monitored and then clean that cage thoroughly before adding any more monarchs. Best of luck!

Loretta M Smith

8/13/2019 02:41:05 am

I have a 8 day old monarch caterpillar. He He was eating great and than I came home from work and he is just laying there. It has been 12 hrs now that he hasnt eaten or moved ( that i noticed) What is going on?

Jill

8/17/2019 11:57:10 am

When they molt they stop eating and moving for a day or two

Marissa

8/13/2019 07:29:12 am

My daughter and I are are new to raising monarchs. We have several in different stages. I have one that I am concerned about. It was on a milk weed we dug up and I didn’t notice it. It was hanging upside down not in the j position. It’s legs are still attached to the leaf. I thought maybe it was going to changing in to the next phase but this am it is still hanging upside down. I thought it was dead but it started to move it’s head around like it it is trying to reach the leaf. It has not ate since we dug the plant up. I thought prolapse rectum but it’s not green like every thing I have read. Any ideas?

6/21/2020 01:51:20 am

That's what the caterpillar does when it tries to form a chrysallis and you or movement are disturbing it

Ricardo Pinto

11/21/2020 11:12:09 am

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Anjones24

8/16/2019 06:09:22 am

I have a chrysalis that has a dark spot on the one side of it. What could this be from? The caterpillar acted normal and ate normal. Went into the normal "j" Should I take it out so it doesn't spread this to the others or just keep an eye on it.

8/20/2019 05:48:33 pm

Thank you for your question. If there is any suspicion of an infection, I would remove that caterpillar or chrysalis very carefully, place it in another cage to monitor it and then clean the cage thoroughly.

Carol

8/16/2019 11:37:01 am

This is a question. My monarch hatched today but fell from the chrysalis before the wings were dry. What can I do?

8/20/2019 05:49:51 pm

You could carefully pick it up with a Q-tip and place it in a safe place for its wings to dry. Be careful not to further damage the wings of course. Best of luck!

Molly Pyle

3/28/2024 02:17:02 pm

I was given chrysalis & a caterpillar. I've never done this before. The caterpillar cacooned and then the cup that they were in was knocked over & they both fell to the bottom where the food was that was in in. One of them "hatched" & it got that food on it and now can't spread it's wings out. I don't know what to do. I've taken it out & put it in a dry cup. I have also tried to feed it by putting a small piece of sponge in 1 part sugar & 4 parts water on a plate. It didn't seem hungry. It's been out of it's casing for 1 day and a half. Please help.

Maddie

8/20/2019 09:34:18 am

I have a caterpillar (I honestly don’t know what kind of butterfly it will turn into) but the thing is, it attached itself to a stem and wove a few things of silk around itself but never finished the cocoon. U can see the wings and head forming on it, it stopes forming about a day or two ago, do u think it’s dead? I don’t know what to do with it. It’s been about 5 days since it attached itself

8/20/2019 05:51:08 pm

Hi Maddie,
I would give it all the time it needs to form it's cocoon or chrysalis. At that point, there is nothing you can do to help it along.

Tawnts

8/28/2019 07:07:42 pm

I have found that the best way to keep my caterpillars healthy is to keep each one in its own jar with a square of window screening overtop. After each chrysalis hatches, I wash the jar. I also wash the jar in the dishwasher if the caterpillar dies. This has been a bad year for the tachnid flies. I have lost 5 caterpillars to them already. Last I had none infected, regarded of the instar when I collected them. I hatched over 270 butterflies successfully last year. It was insane! In previous years i have never had more than one caterpillar infected by tachnid flies. I have also had two butterflies that hatched with pieces of chrysalis stuck to their wings and a lot more than normal that fell to the bottom of the jar before the wings opened. My husband laughed at me a few times when I washed the milkweed if I collected it from somewhere where it may have been contaminated by pesticides but obviously it may be a good idea to do all the time. I think I will start to do that all the time and see if that helps. Thank you for an excellent article!

Carolyn S. link

10/16/2019 04:27:12 pm

What do you use to wash your milkweed leaves?
Tap water plus dish soap? Or something else?
Thanks so much!

7/17/2020 01:24:19 pm

I bought plants at the local garden center as my caterpillars had stripped every plant I had and there were so many. I noticed the plants had spider mites and so I washed it with Dawn dish detergent mixed with water outside from the garden hose. The leaves lost a lot of color, but the caterpillars still ate them. Now some of them are having problems going into successful chrysalis so I'm wondering if they didn't get adequate nutrition from the leaves washed with soap even though I washed the soap off with a garden hose and let them dry before supplying to the caterpillars. So I would advise water only. The best plants were the ones I took the time to wipe each individual leaf with a paper towel soaked in water only, but that was so time consuming. It is possible they have picked up some other thing as I do occasionally bring caterpillars in from plants outside. They go into the J, but then shiver and the green goo oozes out of an apparent hole in their skin and only forms a small cap and then they die. I'm not sure if it's black death or something else. I have had 3-5 emerge fine every day, but the last 3 caterpillars didn't make it.They are in my screened in porch. Always seems to be something attacking them in some way. I'm thinking it is black death now for the recent ones. Very disheartening sometimes, but then my husband reminds me that if they were outside, only 5% of them would have survived. I use a hand vac every day to clean up the frass, but no way to clean the dirt at the base of the plants. Although I did put aluminum foil over the dirt and topped it with paper towels and that did seem to curb the problem before, but again, it was time consuming. I have had tachnid flies before, now it seems to be spider mites are a severe problem that I've had trouble keeping under control. Also I have noticed snails and ants that are small enough to get through the mesh cages....grrr.

6/21/2020 01:52:52 am

Use vinegar fly traps for the tachinid flies. Put one near each milkweed plant. They work

Shannon

8/7/2021 06:50:45 pm

Cuts in the skin of caterpillars aren't just caused by outside enemies; often they're caused by the other caterpillars in the same cage! Cats have the equivalent of sharp nails on their feet to be able to climb almost any surface, so it's no surprise that those nails will cause damage when they're climbing over each other on a milkweed branch. Anyone who's seen the voracious appetites of fifth instars in action as they strip a plant in record time has also most likely seen cats battling w/ each other, which includes biting. If these wounds have enough time to heal before the cat reaches the chrysalis stage, it should be fine. But it takes an enormous amount of pressure for the cat to be able to split the skin at the back of its head to start the chrysalis process, & if there is any other break or cut in the skin, THAT will be where the cat splits open & sadly the caterpillar immediately dies.

Jami

8/30/2019 05:19:59 pm

I live in NJ. Chrysalis form then with in a day are gone. Top of chrysalis is left stuck to fence. What would be taking them?

9/2/2019 05:08:52 pm

It could be anything, but I would suspect a praying mantis. Anything bigger than the chrysalis might grab it. They don't have a chance in the wild with so many creatures out to get them.

Jeanine

9/3/2019 08:20:27 am

This wss very helpful to me. 2018 I had a bumper crop of monarchs in my flower beds. This it looks like the black death got all of them. I don't use any pesticides. I had a great crop of milkweed too. How can I prevent this?

9/3/2019 10:09:27 pm

Hi Jeanine. Try collecting the eggs when they're freshly laid and to do so just grab the whole leaf and wrap it in moist paper towels they'll emerge in 3 to 5 days, can make homes for them out of spinach containers, just cut out a rectangle off the cover and tape a piece of screen on it this will help with ventilation, you could easily put 2 to a container and bring them indoors. Watch a video of Rich Lund he has great knowledge about raising Monarchs. God bless.

Sharon Sivertsen

7/15/2020 04:18:21 pm

What’s a spinach container?

Lilian

9/5/2019 07:40:50 am

Chrysalis formed against glass as such it;s flat on the top side (above the gold band) wonder how will this impact the butterfly? Thank you

9/5/2019 01:19:54 pm

It's hard to tell. You could remove it and hang it somewhere else. The glass may get pretty warm. Try to pull up the silk around it where it is attached and tie or use a spot of glue to attach it to a stick or something where it can hang straight down. Don't move until it has hardened a couple of days.

Liz

9/7/2019 01:55:14 pm

Hello, I currently have a cat that took about 36 hours to molt. It has now been about 6 hours since molt but hasn’t consumed all the skin and is really just laying around. Is this normal? It just entered its fifth Instar.

Ann

9/8/2019 04:04:13 pm

Greetings,
We have a monarch chrysalis on the side of your house which has been fun to watch. However, it has turned black, is it dead?

9/8/2019 05:15:24 pm

Before they eclose, they get black and you can see their wings inside the chrysalis. Otherwise, it could be infected and die. Once they turn black, they usually eclose the same day. Mine always do in the morning or very early afternoon.

Emily Roth

9/13/2019 11:06:32 am

I have a monarch which I raised from an egg. He just can't fly he is 72 hrs old. I have tried everything I can think of. Food gave orange slices, made nectar, put him on flowers and left for hrs. He just sits there a strong wind knocks him over he can't really even hang on to the plant. I need HELP!! I am not sure how to help this little one. I have even unfurled his proboscis and put in the nectar.

Alice Paidas

9/17/2019 06:17:17 pm

Hi I had a butterfly fall from his chrysalis last year. We helped him back up to the top of the mesh cage,but he clearly had a damaged wing. He was perfect in every other way. My 6 yr old wanted to keep him since he only flapped around and wouldn't survive in the wild. So we kept him and cared for him until he died almost 3 months later. He was a very special butterfly. He would wait to come out of the cage and ride on our shirts. He was amazing..we still miss him.

J Albetski

9/25/2019 12:10:22 pm

Someone gave my wife a chrysalis glued to a stick. After 10 days or so it changed from green to clear and started to emerge but it never fully did. A red liquid appeared on the paper towel under where it hung. We waited some
Hours, then I tried to get the clear part off. Didn’t want to hurt it so left it overnight. This morning got it off of the stick but it’s wings never opened and it’s very weak. I gave it an orange slide and sugar water on a paper towel. But I think we should just freeze it? Something is clearly wrong with it.

Jennywren

9/26/2019 11:34:40 pm

Once they eclose, if their wings are not pumped with their liquid, they won't be able to fly. It could have the dreaded OE, or a type of bacteria that causes them to be weak and they can't hold on after eclosing, so they fall and can't get up. Once they've been lying for a while, their wings won't fill out. If it hasn't died already, yes, you could freeze it.

Jennifer

10/19/2019 11:07:29 am

Hi, our monarch chrysalis’ have been clear/black for 4 days and are in a mesh enclosure. Suddenly I found about. 4 flies inside the enclosure one day. A different cat had died at the bottom of the cage just prior to the other two forming their chrysalis. I noticed after the fact and was unable to open the enclosure due to the fact the chrysalis had been attached to the zipper. So I’m hoping that the dead cat did not infect the others. They have made it through the entire chrysalis cycle except have not emerged (colors changed from green to black/clear- I can still see orange wings a bit). Is there any chance they’re alive? We’re in October so I think these are 4th generation cats- maybe they take a little longer to emerge? The chrysalis have been up for about 16 days

10/21/2019 08:12:15 am

Within the last week I've lost two large monarch caterpillars to a predator. After researching pretty sure wasps found them. Both caterpillars were on the giant milkweed plant (potted). I just brought the plant inside to try and save the remaining caterpillars. Will they survive on the plant inside and should I do anything else? Or move the pot in another area of garden? Not sure what to do:( so devastating to see aftermath. Thank you for any advice!

10/21/2019 10:04:24 am

Where are you located? Must be far south since it is so late. Won't hurt to try to keep them in. I do all of mine separately in containers and feed them a leaf or so a day. I try to get as eggs, but often bring in all sizes and take my chances. I'd be worried about other things being in the plant that might also get to them.

10/21/2019 10:52:54 am

Thanks so much for your suggestion. Yes, I am in Central Florida- it's still 85 degrees here and lots of monarch activity. But seeing more and more disappear. ..Will look into containers and try that!

Luna

8/12/2023 08:11:52 am

Im in mn and i still have young monarch caterpillars... its august! Not sp late

Paulina

10/27/2019 11:46:29 am

Hi,
My monarch caterpillars are leaving their host milkweed plant to find a place to form a chrysalis. They are nice and plump and active. However, some of them are bending over the middle of their body, forming a very sharp angle, and dying. They don’t have any change in color, I don’t see any discharge from their body, or any spots that suggests eggs from parasites or insects. Any ideas on what’s happening to them? Thank you, I appreciate your help.

Paulina link

10/27/2019 01:27:48 pm

I’m including a short video of the caterpillars

ricardo link

3/13/2023 12:08:04 pm

Generally, when they bend, they turn black and die. They apparently had some type of bacteria entering their bodies that eventually kills them. Recommended to disinfect everything and not keep them altogether in a container so it spreads. I do keep all of mine individually in containers, but do lose some like that. At least separated, it can't spread to others.

10/29/2019 01:20:52 pm

Susan Smith

11/18/2019 06:02:57 am

I have eight Monarch chrysalises (chyrsalids?) and it's already November 18. Should I winter them inside? I have a decent sized cage and can let them for exercise. The longest I've had a Monarch was a week or so for one with deformed wings and then s/he died. I'm very willing to try but very unsure how to do this.

11/18/2019 06:04:18 am

Pt 2-I'm sorry. I forgot to say we are in Central Florida but having a colder than usual autumn.

Amber

11/24/2019 05:53:50 pm

Hi Susan! I believe there is a group of monarchs that stay in florida instead of migrating to mexico/california, so I think the monarchs should be fine.

11/24/2019 05:42:37 pm

We recently raised some Monarch butterflies in my science classroom. Although it was a very fun and exciting experience there has been one thought that's been on my mind. A couple of our monarchs had some thought-provoking deaths. One of them went into a strange j-shape before they turned black and fell. At first I thought it was the black death, but after doing some reading I realized that our monarch did not liquify. Another death that I found interesting was a case of monarch cannibalism. One of our monarchs went into their chrysalis and a caterpillar that was still alive ate part of the chrysalis. The part of the chrysalis that the caterpillar ate turned black, I'm guessing because of the blood, but it looked like it continued to develop. The caterpillar also went into a chrysalis. After 2 weeks I believe, we could start to see the outline of the wings on both chrysalids, but it has been 3 weeks now and we believe that they are both dead.

11/24/2019 05:51:39 pm

Hi! it's me again. I forgot to mention, there was one of our monarchs that died as an adult monarch. I believe it was because of OE, since his wings were deformed when he emerged. But he did fall from his chrysalis, we moved him to a string on top of cotton balls, and when he was in his caterpillar stage he grazed over a caterpillar that was bent at a very strange angle (it was in it's 4th stage). Could that have affected the wings somehow? I thought maybe the caterpillar he grazed over might've had OE but I don't know.

Sally

12/3/2019 09:13:11 pm

I have a caterpillar chrysalis since 21/11. It turned dark but still transparent on 2/12. Now it’s not moving at all. Is it dead? Usually it will move it’s tail.

12/4/2019 05:43:52 pm

What do you mean by tail? A monarch chrysalis does not have a tail. Is it a chrysalis for something other than a monarch?

12/4/2019 11:23:31 am

Hi. I've read all the comments and answers and mine is a little different.
I have milkweed in my yard with lots of catipillars.
I saw them dying . Both in catipillars and in chrystalis. Had maggots and possible black death?
So a month ago I bought a new milkweed to give the catipillars I brought clean leaves so they weren't infected.
A couple days later there was a baby on the new milkweed. None of the other catipillars were ever near it. So I put mesh around it so it was totally protected from everything. I nvr even touched it.
I did put it outside away from the other milkweed and nvr opened the mesh bc the catipillar was doing just fine.
It was eating good. Then climbed up the mesh and was up there for 2 days then two days in J form. Total 4 days. Weather fluctuating from high 55 to 69 to lows 45 to 50 at night.
Alive and well last night. Checked on it this morning and it was shriveled up. Barely anything there. Maybe just the skin? Nvr went green. What happened?
I found another one like this two days ago by other milkweed on the ground. Nvr in j form.
What happened to it? It was big and healthy last night in J. Was hoping to see it in crystalyis this morning.

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faye eaton link

4/2/2020 12:02:04 am

My milkweed cotton bush was covered in large caterpillars. It also has tiny ones hatching from numerous eggs. However, at no stage have I seen any crystalises..I don't use any sprays etc - I only have the one bush. It came up out of some compost I bought. The bush has been very healthy. Some of y native plants died because of the hot weather and drought but this bush has thrived!

4/4/2020 11:08:51 am

Hi Faye,
Thanks for your comment. Would you be able to send a photo of your milkweed bush with the eggs? I would be curious to see what the caterpillars look like. Thanks!

Jeri Thiede

4/9/2020 10:10:05 pm

It could be that they aren't big enough to make a chrysalis yet. But the other thing is that they leave the plant to make their chrysalis, often about 30 feet away from where they were feeding. If there are eggs and some hatching, larger caterpillars may accidentally eat them. I always bring all my eggs and caterpillars inside to raise them.

8/12/2023 08:08:13 am

The caterpillars often leave their host plant to enclose in their chrysalis.
Good luck

Isabella

4/11/2020 10:52:45 am

Hi, um I have a few questions and concerns. First off, about five of my small, instar 2 cats died (about 5 of them) I'm not sure why but I try to follow all precautions but they just stop moving. I know for sure their dead because its been 4 days since they moved. Next: One of my caterpillars was molting and now its done but the old skin is stuck to its butt, what can I do to help? And lastly, I have a chrysalis that it starting to turn dark (I think normally) but the wing areas of it aren't as clear as they rest et, is that okay?? sorry if that didn't make a lot of sense :(

Angeline

5/7/2020 10:09:42 am

I’ve been raising monarchs for nearly 8 years now and stumbled upon something new that is affecting my caterpillars. They are dying while turning green, as though they’re soon to enter chrysalis... you can almost see the chrysalis under their striped skin. Sometimes it hardens sometimes the caterpillar stay soft, but it always dies. I’ve also had more cases were caterpillar’s are entering their chrysalis and part of the green chrysalis protrudes but then the caterpillar stops there and dies. Do you have any idea what could be causing this and how I can prevent it? I’ve dealt with nearly every other Butterfly ailment and predator including: assassin bug’s, tree frogs and toads which are usually not listed but this one is new to me and I am baffled.

Rosanna

5/26/2020 11:02:35 pm

Same thing here, tbut his is the 1st time its happed to my caterpillars. I also I'm trying to figure out what's causing this.

6/4/2020 07:17:15 pm

This just happened to me too. My remaining caterpillars were able to form their chrysalis but I have been having issues with them eclosing weak & falling. Have had to euthanize a few. I suspect I purchased pesticide free but OE infected milkweed. I think my 1st caterpillar that only formed part of the chrysalis was weak. It's been a sad week of eclosing here!

Lynn

8/18/2020 07:36:15 pm

I was doing a search for this very same reason. I can see below the skin(?) the green color of the chrysalis showing. My first year trying this. Wondering what is going to happen to him. Hope it’s nothing.

8/19/2020 02:51:42 pm

Well, I know what was happening now. They were ready to Jhang. Had 9 do it after my first message yesterday. That explains it!! They all have made chrysalisis now, too! Between 10:00 am and around 3:00 today. Amazing to watch!!!

Wendy Talley

9/26/2020 02:30:27 pm

This happened to me at the end of the summer. It ended in 100% death rate. Did you ever get an answer? My caterpillars started dying in mid pupate. Half caterpillar, half chrysalis. It's like an alien horror show every night when I get home from work. I didn't seen any responses that explained why this is happening.

Lynette Calfee

5/12/2020 11:00:28 am

I have a mesh habitat and noticed a caterpillar crawling across on the mesh leaving a light green watery like trail. I'm wondering if it is getting ready to form a chrysalis. It doesn't appear to have anal prolapse so I'm wondering what is going on. Thank you.

Aracely

5/13/2020 11:02:34 am

We have been watching our monarch chrysalis for ten days now and has been a very solid black color for over 7 days. Is it dead? We originally found the green chrysalis on the dirt and decided to leave it alone to not bother it. But after research we decided to relocate him on the 3rd day and hang it from a branch. Could it be that the moisture from the dirt was too much for it? It has some dirt that stuck to it from laying down. Could have deformed it, but would this cause it to die? I can see wing outline on chrysalis, but it's all solid black. We had small child front one day during this time. Is it dead?

Jessica

5/14/2020 06:58:03 pm

Hello- I have both a butterfly garden and also grow/propagate succulents. In one of the online groups I am in, someone posted photos of early instar monarch caterpillars on trailing jade (senecio family) and thought they were eating it. Others in the group commented that they had had this happen as sell. Have you heard of this? If they are actually eating it, do you think this is harmful to them?

Alisha link

5/20/2020 05:48:48 am

Hello, yesterday I had one of my caterpillars die while attempting to pupate. The green underneath was showing just around the head and that’s as far as he made it. It looked similar to anal prolapse although at the other end. And obviously the green bit was normal looking for a chrysalis. I was wondering if this sometimes happens or if he was likely infected with tachnid flies or some other ailment. Thank you.

amritha

5/20/2020 10:55:30 am

I found a caterpillar attaching to the ground to form a chrysalis and brought it inside with some of the dirt underneath it. parts of its have turned darkish brown and the bottom tip has become black. It looks smaller than when it started. I thought this was part of its chrysalis process but now I'm afraid its not surviving well. Can someone advise me?

Eileen Brabender

5/30/2020 12:15:31 pm

My monarch butterfly chrysalis is one week old. It is green but has a bump on the side for days that looks like either the butterfly is stuck or some bug has attached itself to the outside. What is happening??

Katie

8/20/2020 05:07:20 pm

That is likely the skin that shed when it became a chrysalis. Just leave it be!

Sayyedah

6/2/2020 01:10:12 pm

Hi..... my caterpillar was originally a bright green, but after 2 days of keeping it, it started to turn sort of brownish and dark green, basically dull colors, and very lethargic and lazy..... he started to eat very little too 😔😬! So I wanted to know, IS MY CATERPILLAR 🐛 DYING?! Or is it natural?

Thank you

6/6/2020 09:08:06 pm

I guess whatever was happening is done now. I thought maybe it was getting ready to make a chrysalis, but not sure. What ended up happening?

7/15/2020 05:00:48 pm

The caterpillar was bright green? That’s apparently not a monarch. Cabbage butterfly, maybe? How big? Any other features or markings?

Lily

6/3/2020 02:29:10 pm

Hello :-) one of our monarchs keeps falling off the leafs would you know why?

Zahaslan

6/6/2020 06:44:39 pm

Hi, I just had a Monarch butterfly coming out of its chrysalis and clinged on well to dry. After about 2 hours it's started traveling a bit further up my plant so I thought its going to be flying soon so I took my plant outside. An hour later I saw the butterfly had fallen off (there was wind) and I tried to put it back on the plant but it seems to have stopped knowing how to cling, it keeps falling off! And it still appear not to be able to fly yet (maybe the wings are not completely dry yet. How do I help this one? Feeling helpless

6/6/2020 07:10:33 pm

My experience has been minimum 3 hours of drying but preferably 4 hours. After 4 hours they seem to have no issues. I would bring it back inside or hang it from a flower or tree limb

Lauren

6/10/2020 01:01:51 pm

We found a caterpillar in our yard and put it in a jar with some leaves, within one day he started to hang in the j form, the next morning he had a gray cocoon surrounding him, I put a little water in the jar and left him, today I noticed the cocoon still the same but I could notice the wings forming, and then I saw in the bottom of the jar what looked like the top of his head???? What is this? Is it dead, or is this normal part of the process???

6/16/2020 01:13:22 pm

When you found the cat, it was in the process of finding a spot to make its chrysalis. Usually they are green. Are you sure it's a monarch? Monarch cats only eat milkweed leaves. If water is still in there, I would take it out if you can. When they pupate, their old skin falls off, with the head being last, so that's probably why you think it's the head. You may want to do a little research about monarchs.

6/11/2020 05:22:44 am

A friend gave us 3 monarch caterpillars to care for, I have them in a box with a mesh covering. One climbed up to the mesh netting and stayed there overnight into this morning. He is alive and pooping
but not moving much. Looking at the mesh and his underside there is a silky thread like pattern between him and the mesh. Is he ok? Is he stuck on the mesh? Thanks for your advice!

6/16/2020 01:18:22 pm

When the cat is getting ready to pupate, they lay down a layer of "silk" to attach the cremaster to so they can hang down without falling.

6/15/2020 04:52:04 pm

My one caterpillar I am trying to raise crawled to the top or the mesh enclosure I have, in what I expected was to pupate, but then dropped. It doesn’t look injured, but I can tell it had started to attach to the top with silk. That is now gone and the caterpillar is on the side of the enclosure, but hasn’t gone back to the top. It’s been several hours. Is there still a chance it will make it and start over again?

Meredith Priestley

6/16/2020 01:35:19 pm

My (outdoor) caterpillars are all dying. Their normally green stripes are pale yellow. Plants are in pots, and there are spider webs around the plants. I have tried to clear those, but found many little caterpillars in the webs as well. Does anyone know why they are yellow?

Zoe

6/25/2020 05:21:49 am

I’m having the same issue of paleness in the faces of maybe 2/100 of my caterpillars here in Florida as well! Never seen but thankfully none have died yet from this. Wondering if I should separate them for a bit

Connor

6/17/2020 08:43:29 pm

Not a monarch caterpillar but it was a small banana yellow one that fed on the vines that grew on my fence, I haven’t been able to identify the plant. The caterpillar seemed to be in the second or third instar during the time I had it (it was shedding when I found it). During its shed outdoors, it progressed very quickly and immediately started crawling again, however, about 2-3 days later and the time for it to shed and transition instars came again, this time however, it started shedding and then it just... stopped, midway through. The shedded skin had what looked like dark red dried fluid on the inside of its skin. It’s been more than a full 24 hours and it has not progressed at all through its shedding. I checked on it at the 24 hour mark and the caterpillar has gone completely limp. Its new skin is brown and When I went to coax it into moving, it seemed unusually squishy where it’s new skin was exposed. I was wondering if its new skin got caught on its old skin and it started hemorrhaging or if it couldn’t get its way out of its old skin and suffocated itself.

Laurie Passer

6/19/2020 07:55:06 am

Help please! My caterpillar fell from its I position and is no longer attached to its silk. What should I do?

Jaidin Borenski

6/19/2020 09:21:05 am

Hello! Wonderful site you have here, but anyways onto my question/ ask for help.

One of my cats has a clear-ish spot on it’s body that sort of looks like a scar. It eats, poops, and moves around just fine, but I’m wondering if it was infected by some parasite. If so I will remove it from the two other cats I have housed with it.

I haven’t moved it to a bigger cutting of milkweed for fear of losing track of it, and am simply feeding it on single leaves (all of which I have rinsed prior to serving).

I would hate to have those horrible wasps or flies ruin one of my chrysalides, and it would be a shame for such a normal-looking caterpillar..

Quinlan C.

7/19/2020 09:25:08 pm

Hey Jaidin, just had the same thing happen. Monarch caterpillar looks as if it has scars (not bruises in three spots on it's body. I did have it and 3 other smaller caterpillars housed with a larger one but none of the other small ones have any similar markings and as far as I know they have had plenty of access to fresh food ever day (refill once in the morning and before bed), so no reason for the larger one to accidentally "munch" on the caterpillar in question. Curious how your lad turned out. Was it alright or was it indeed a parasite or other fatal condition?
Best Wishes.
Q.C

Laurie

7/3/2020 06:02:19 am

I have 4 black swallowtail cats and they seem to have eaten pesticide. One had the green vomit and I cleaned them all, patted dry and cleaned their jar. The green vomit one is in his own jar...but the rest look lethargic and have sticky poo. I feel horrible. Is there any chance of them making it through and just popping it out?

7/5/2020 07:59:57 am

Hi Laurie, it's great that you are keeping them isolated from the rest of the healthy caterpillars! Does this jar you are using for them allow proper ventilation? Many butterfly rearers prefer to use mesh cages because this allows water to evaporate within the cage and lessens the risk of disease. Another question is how are you sourcing your leaves for them (from your garden, a nursery, elsewhere?) You may want to rinse the leaves off before feeding them and make sure they haven't been sprayed with a systemic pesticide which makes the entire plant toxic even if you do rinse it. Best of luck!

Lana

7/4/2020 08:19:33 am

Hello! I have my milkweed plants in the house. When I bought them I found several caterpillars on it. But now I only see 2 of them. One of them has his backside stuck to the plant and he is struggling to move. Why is he stuck to the plant? He is on the top side of the plant. Can you help me please. If he dies, I will only have one left. Thank you.

7/5/2020 08:15:04 am

Hi Lana, thank you for your questions.
First of all, have you placed your caterpillars next to a window so they have natural light? Many studies have found that monarchs will not migrate if their access to natural rhythms are disturbed.
It's possible that the cat that disappeared simply reached its pupal stage and went to find a good place to create its chrysalis.
I do not know why the monarch would be stuck to a plant on its backside. It's possible that there was an excess of latex from the milkweed plant (white, sticky substance) and it got stuck.
If you can, VERY carefully unstick him so he can continue to eat. Monarch caterpillars need to be eating almost constantly in order to reach metamorphosis.
Lastly, always make sure that milkweed plants are free of pesticides. Even plant nurseries spray most of their plants to keep bugs off. Good luck!

Catherine

7/11/2020 11:53:54 pm

Two monarch crystalis have the forlegs showing with the crystalis not being completely formed on the top. Is a butterfly going to develop and emerge in this situation? I think the J stage was rushed in both cases.

Vanessa

7/19/2020 05:57:27 am

My daughters and I are raising monarchs from our milkweed in our yard. We had two big fat ones and one went into J formation the day after we got him. He has a baby in the same cage that is growing and doing well. It’s been probably 4 days and the j formation stalled and it’s hanging straight down with a silk goo coming off of it. I assume it’s dead. What could have happened? What about the baby? Our other cage had a big one make his j form two days ago and is moved onto the green pupae.

Thanks

7/20/2020 09:32:23 pm

Sounds like a case of the parasitic Tachinid fly. Try to look for a brownish pellet. That should be what "dropped". Remove any healthy remaining Monarchs as soon as possible and if you have found the Tachinid larvae before it hatched, squish and burn (to prevent survivors) has been my method.

Best of Luck.
-Q.C

Andrea Jowett

7/26/2020 11:38:54 am

We have a chrysalis with lots of black speckles on it. Is that a disease?

Rey H

8/1/2020 09:31:00 pm

Are they bright black, and seem to moreso be on the outside of the chrysalis? I’m in the same boat and read that it could be green hemolymph (blood) that dried to black scabs. “If a chrysalis has bled a little bit or has been damaged even a small amount, the dried blood can cause bright black marks and spots.” I read some people say that their butterflies emerged fine and healthy after so fingers crossed for us.

Samantha

7/24/2021 09:35:16 pm

Hi there,

Did your Monarchs with the black spots/speckles ever enclose? I have at least a dozen that have the black markings and have isolated the severe cases. Other than the blood thing you mentioned, I too have not found any other info on the specks… which is how I ended up here. Hope you have some feedback. Than you!

Julie Shipp

7/30/2020 02:04:15 pm

Is there a way to post photos to the comments? I am trying to identify a live black 1 1/2-2” insect in a bin of yard waste. It somewhat resembled a butterfly with a similar head, eyes, body and antenna, all black. Where its wings would be were four separate “appendages” with a joint. At the tips of the appendages were some filmy bits with colours reminiscent of a Monarch (White and orange mostly). It was able to move a little by kind of hobbling sideways using the “appendages”. It looked nothing like the photos of emerging butterflies I have been able to find. I haven’t been able to find any insects that look like it by doing a google reverse image search. Nor did it appear to resemble Any pictures of butterflies with disease. Difficult to identify I know without a photo. I would be happy to send one if you tell me how. Thanks!

Janet

7/31/2020 09:18:33 pm

I've been loosing about 30% of my cats at first or second instar- no eggs or larvae - writhing and turning black - seems like their back end paralizes. No pesticides or chemicals - I'm so careful after a bad experience with a seresto collar on our dog last year. Any ideas what it is?

anet

8/2/2020 10:21:41 am

...and now in another cage, 4 of 8 cats - all had seemed healthy - didn't make it through eclosing. Losing overall more than last year. Am I doing something wrong?

Diane

8/2/2020 07:43:33 am

Hi, my husband recently purchased a shade plant at a local home improvement store. When he got it home we noticed three monarch caterpillars hanging; two were dead already. The third formed a "J" within 30 minutes, and formed a chrysalis shortly after that. Now two days later, we see a very thin string of goop coming out the bottom of the chrysalis. From your description, I am afraid this may be tachinid fly maggots. Is there any hope at this point, or will the Monarch perish inside the chrysalis? Is there anything we can do? Thank you for your help!!

8/2/2020 08:42:36 am

Oh no! That sounds like classic tachinid fly. Unfortunately that is the end for this little caterpillar. If you leave it any longer, you will likely witness the maggot/birth of the fly. At this point (when a floss-like string is hanging from either the J-cat or the chrysalis) is when I euthanize by placing in the freezer. This also avoids the successful birth of those pesky flies in my area (which I don’t want messing with my other cats). I’ve lost 3 cats/chrysalides to tflies so far :/ Hope you get monarch butterflies visiting your plant soon!

8/2/2020 08:51:58 am

Oh, that makes me so sad :-( Ok, thank you very much for the reply, I appreciate it.

Amanda Gale

8/4/2020 09:33:13 am

Thank you for this info. I found a couple of eggs and a small Caterpillar on my plumeria plants. I brought them all inside, and I placed the Caterpillar in a mesh cage with a milkweed plant. The caterpillar seemed to be doing great for the last 2 weeks. Last night I saw him hanging on the side of the mesh so I thought it was time for him to create his chrysalis. This morning he was right side up and his frass was red. He seems to be lethargic. Is he dying?

Sarah

8/5/2020 11:11:06 am

New to raising butterflies! Brought 3 cats in, 2 the same size and 1 slightly smaller. 2 bigger ones are fine and are currently in J shape. 3rd smaller one hardly moved at all for like a day, so I thought he was molting. Then today he was moving, but oddly, head back and forth, not really going anywhere. I went out to get fresh milkweed and came back and noticed he was curled up in corner with thin white strands coming out of him and the stands were MOVING, like some sort of parasitic worm. I have not been able to find out what it is, nor did I take pictures. I was too disgusted and panicked that I rushed to get it out so it didn't affect the others. Any idea what it was?
Side note: Do they move slightly when in J shape? Like moving their head a little up and down and almost look like they're munching on something. Is this them preparing the chrysalis?

8/5/2020 11:59:19 am

Hi Sarah,

That’s awesome you’re getting into this! I personally love it. Unfortunately it sounds like your little caterpillar guy got injected with eggs by tachinid flies :/ when thin white strands come out like that it’s usually the end for the poor cats and they are already dead or won’t survive. I would suggest euthanizing by placing in the freezer (I personally don’t want more flies born which can then attack my other cats). As for the J shaped movements, those are totally normal. They twitch here and there. In fact if you move them too much or another caterpillar or movement comes near them they’ll move and twitch aggressively and then once left alone will continue hanging out in their J shape. Good luck!

8/5/2020 12:11:27 pm

I assumed it was the tachinid flies but I didn't see any larvae. And that the strands were moving completely freaked me out. I placed the cup with cat and strands outside in blistering sun, hoping to bake them. Now I'm afraid to look! 😳
Thanks for the help!

Tiff

9/12/2021 06:02:09 am

Hi. I don’t think these are the flies. I’ve had this happen and these things are worms. They’re not strands, they hatch and move. Multiple worms in the lethargic cat. Does anyone know what these are? It’s so traumatizing !

Jessica L Dellario

8/10/2020 11:51:06 am

I recently had an accident and dropped a box of mason jars with caterpillars in them. Unfortunately two shattered when they hit the cement porch. One cat died instantly while the other experienced anal prolapse. So I can say that trauma is definitely one cause of anal prolapse.
I am also noticing vomit on some of the leaves. Weird thing is I can cut a leaf in half and give each half to a different cat and only one will vomit. I have washed the leaves well and let them dry. It doesn't appear to be killing them but I'm still nervous about it.
I have released 10 so far this year. I have 2 waiting to be released (I'm at work). I have around 50 chrysalises. I have 25 cats that are still in mason jars and about 40 hatch-lings in containers. I released 13 Monarch butterflies last year. My goal this year is 100.

8/10/2020 12:42:25 pm

Amazing!! We have similar numbers so far and goals. Also those accidents are the worst. The other week I accidentally hurt a chrysalis which eventually didn’t make it. The other day someone (I think me) stepped on a caterpillar (RIP) and yesterday my dog killed a butterfly that I hadn’t released yet (RIP). Always sad but keep reminding myself that there would be way less surviving if we weren’t doing this. So far I’ve released 26 this season. Have about 30 chrysalides and waiting for 20 eggs to hatch. Good luck!

8/11/2020 05:28:13 am

When I left for work this morning there were 7 that emerged from their chrysalises. I can't wait to get home and release them. I still have 42 chrysalises. I lost a couple cats last night. I don't have the heart to kill them when they start looking sick so I move their jars into another area and watch them. I can always hope they will recover even though I know deep down they won't. But I think 10 out of 130 really isn't too bad. I've lost more last year on the plants waiting for eggs to hatch. That's why I decided to collect the eggs this year.

Stacey K

8/10/2020 02:33:13 pm

I've been raising monarchs for 3 years with great success but this year is not as good. I've had a few with the tachinid fly issue and having a hard time finding caterpillars this year in my milkweed. I have a question on what is happening with a smaller caterpillar, he looks great but it's black face came off today and its now the color of a chrysalis and its poo looks like caterpillar skin. Anyone know what happened? No poison or flea or tick meds around my home or yard. Thank you

8/10/2020 04:41:13 pm

So this is weird, my caterpillar that had it's black face fall off and hasn't moved for hours has now started crawling all over like nothing is wrong. His face now looks like the rest of his striped body. What is going on??? I've never experienced this before.

8/10/2020 05:11:34 pm

Kinda sounds to me like it was molting. They don’t move for a day or more and shed their old skin. I believe they do this 4 or 5 times during the caterpillar stage. You think that could be it? I’ve seen it happen and they leave a trail of their old skin behind.

8/11/2020 05:24:29 am

He was definitely molting. The skin should be gone. He will eat that for nutrients. I have pictures of mine molting. This is my second year raising an the first time I got to see the molt.

8/11/2020 09:02:56 am

Thank you Jessica and Rey for your reply I've never seen a caterpillar do that before, I was worried. This morning when I checked on him he is fine and eating.

8/13/2020 09:39:24 am

This morning I found one of them pellet things in my butterfly house and I don't know where it came from. Everything looks normal in the house. I have had the tachinid issue with 3 of my caterpillars this year, first time with this problem. I got a new butterfly house and moved the cats in there. How will I know where the pellet came from if all looks good in the house? For me this has not been a good year for raising monarchs, makes me sad.

Valeria

8/17/2020 06:37:36 am

Hello, This summer I have raised over 50 adult monarch butterflies. They were all healthy, but from about 10 of them, a small amount of orangish-brown fluid droplets fell down as they were emerging from the chrysalis. They all seemed healthy otherwise and flew off. Is this discharge normal? I haven't found any report on this on any sites so far.
Also, this morning, an emerging butterfly had its wings stuck to the empty chrysalis shell and couldn't separate itself. I removed it from the cage and poured water on its wings to loosen them from the casing. Its wings stayed deformed and small. Otherwise it seemed healthy, could flop its wings and walked briskly. Wondering it was dehydration. Anybody have these experiences?
Thank-you. Valeria

8/17/2020 10:28:30 am

The orange fluid is inside their butt when they emerge from the chrysalis. They pump that fluid into their wings to push them out. When they are done pushing their wings out they will expel any extra liquid. that is the orange you are seeing at the bottom, the leftover fluid. As for the one stuck to it's chrysalis, I have not yet had that happen. I've seen their feet stuck and I've had to pull them away from it, but all have flown away. The one you mention may not if it's wings didn't push out.I have released 43 as of yesterday.

8/17/2020 11:49:58 am

Hi Valeria,
Someone answered the question about the orange fluid which is totally normal. As for the butterfly getting stuck to the chrysalis, I’ve had this happen too and similarly some water (wet q-tip) dabbed on the chrysalis/butterfly got it right off. I’ve heard this is some dryness/ potentially due to the chrysalis being exposed to sun and drying out a bit. I started spraying my chrysalides with a bit of water every morning and I think that it helped. Haven’t had it happen again and I’ve released 50 butterflies as of today. Good luck! -Rey H

Carol W

11/2/2021 11:11:57 am

The red discharge is normal when they are eclosing.

Valeria Kovacs

8/17/2020 01:43:45 pm

Hi Jessica and Rey H,
I was hoping that orangish-fluid was normal. Thank-you for confirming it. I do cover up the cage when the sun is shining on it, but this one was at the corner and may have been exposed more.
My other deformed butterfly this year had a number of mishaps, but managed to live a week after it emerged. First, it got tangled in the webbing of a caterpillar that just pupated. While struggling to get away, both went crashing down to the bottom of the metal cage. The chrysalis did not make it. It looked like the caterpillar was a goner as well, so I just brought it into the house to die. However, while lying on its side, it pupated. To keep it in an upright position, I attached its silky web tip to a paper clip (black, the squeeze kind) and suspended it inside the cage. When it pulled itself from its chrysalis, the little bit of webbing was not strong enough to hold it. Once more it fell and I only noticed it after it had pumped fluid into its wings already. The interesting part of this story is that I could keep it alive for a whole week by taking it outside to feed on the coneflowers and black-eyed-susans. Unfortunately when I wasn't beside it, a hornet grabbed its rear end. I could pull the hornet off, but 2 hours later it died.

Marilyn Fowler link

8/20/2020 12:44:04 pm

I have had 8 successful monarch releases until today, I have lost three in a row. They start to shed their final skin to go into the chrysalis stage stage and they get part way and stop and green stuff drips out and they die. I have other caterpillars and already formed chrysalis in the same cage. I have removed the caterpillars that wer not hanging from the top yet. But what happened?

8/20/2020 01:16:41 pm

It sounds like maybe they were parasitized. When the parasite attacks it makes the chrysalis bleed and that would be the green stuff dripping out. If you let it go a bunch of tiny little wasps will probably emerge. If you want to wait to see what happens place it in a separate container like a mason jar with a screened lid. That way if the wasps do come out you can kill them instead of letting them go.

Marilyn Fowler

8/20/2020 01:42:25 pm

These were all raised from eggs I found on the same day?

8/22/2020 06:40:44 pm

Is it possible that one of the other caterpillars took a bite out of another's chrysalis? If you raised them from eggs then chances are slim for a parasite, unless they are exposed.

Kassidy

8/24/2020 09:05:14 am

I have an interesting cat this year.
He hatched without front antenna, only rear. He has splotches in his stripes but only the black stripes! And his little head twitches when he's trying to rest. He is currently 5th in star, eating and growing well. Should be ready to do his flying J tonight or tomorrow. So I guess we'll see what happens when he pupates!! Otherwise the rest of my guys have done beautifully this year and I've never seen this before!

Sunshine

8/26/2020 10:46:56 am

Oh, that's so odd! I hope he stays healthy. Would love to hear how his pupation goes - I hope you'll post an update! :)

8/26/2020 10:55:16 am

Hi sunshine!
He's fully pupated but his chrysalis has a few spots on it that worry me.. nothing i have found about OE or any other ailments seem to match this little fella. He also had 3 enclosure mates that are perfectly healthy with bright green chrysalis about a week old so I'm truly at a loss but maybe he will make it.. fingers crossed!!!

8/24/2020 10:51:35 am

I had a butterfly emerge this morning who fell from her empty chrysalis before drying. When I came out to go to work she was laying on the bottom in a wet mess of wings reaching for the top. I got her out and put her on a screen in an aquarium. I am hoping and praying that she was able to fix herself. I don't get home for another 4 hours. I truly hope she'll be able to fly. I have one that emerged last week that fell but I wasn't home and she dried with curled wings. She can't fly, but is hell bent that she is going to. I've been feeding her oranges and she is ok but I feel horrible that she'll never fly. Out of 63 butterflies this season these are the only 2 I've had an issue with.

8/27/2020 09:03:04 am

So when I got home HE was still hanging upside down in the aquarium. I took him and put him with the female with curly wings. His top left wing was under his bottom left wing so they were at odd angles and in no position for him to fly. I was able to pull the top out from under the bottom and they laid flat but were still not straight. He can't fly. When he tries the wings flip back under each other and I have to put them back. I honestly wish this would have happened sooner as I could have just kept them together for the summer and let them procreate together. Now that we are at the end of the season they aren't even interested in each other. They just want to fly south. I will keep them and feed them until they pass away. I take them out everyday so they can try to spread their wings. Their determination is incredible. But they don't get far so I put them back on the orange and they eat and relax. I've added a branch to the tank and they climb on it and use it to get to the top screen and hang at night. It's about all I can really do. I will NOT kill them.

9/1/2020 12:43:14 pm

So he made it till last night. I check them before going to bed and he was stiff and not moving. I checked again this morning and he was on his back. He made it a week though. His favorite food was the honey water. He preferred that to oranges or watermelon. Poor guy. He did get to live with two females during his short life. One has curly wings and the other fell from her chrysalis. They both still try to fly away but they go right to the ground. I don't think they'll last much longer. I'm in New York. It's been getting colder at night.

9/14/2020 05:39:24 pm

Hi Jessica!
I just wanted to tell you that I have a butterfly that can't fly either. After much research and consulting with some experts, I believe she was injured as a baby by other cats and she suffered quite a bit of damage to her abdomen but she cannot fly so I've been taking care of her.
I have found that her favorite food is cantaloupe, I squeeze the juice out and put it in a little cap for her with a dab of Gatorade (for salt!) and she just loves it. Maybe you could try that as well as the oranges!
Thank you for taking care of them and not wanting to kill them. I can't bring myself to do it either yet so many tell me I should... sigh. ♡

Jacqueline Perez

9/1/2020 12:04:11 pm

Hello. I’ve let about 35 butterflied go. They were tagged. I have had about 20 more that weren’t tagged. So I’ve been busy. I also kissed about 15 cats to disease. The whole bunch got infected before I knew it. Happened in the blink of an eye. I was heart broken. Still am. I’m thinking here I am trying to help and look what I have done. I have a few monarchs that aren’t not doing so well. Noticed one today with its body leaking fluid so I separated it from the others. I also have one that I named wrinkles cause his wings are all wrinkled. But he still trying everyday to fly. I replaced two of his wings to see if he could fly. And he tries. The other one just lays there. When I go to see if he’s ok he wakes up and flutters but doesn’t fly. I e tried. He feeds well and flies great but then goes down like a torpedo. So I bra ughh him back in. I’m wondering if I should bring them inside because I
Live in Florida and it’s very humid because it’s been raining a lot lately. So I wonder if the humidity is preventing them from flying.

Thanks for your help.

9/1/2020 12:18:58 pm

I wonder if it’s OE. This is usually the case when they have wrinkled wings/can’t fly/ too weak. I also understand that Florida has much higher cases of OE. Worth looking into. Sorry for your difficulties and good luck!

Lisa

9/2/2020 09:38:15 pm

There is a stand that sells Monarch kits (caterpillar, milkweed leaves, and a special container) at the local farmer’s market, and our kids have had fun raising and releasing the butterflies. For variety, we decided to send away for one of those Painted Lady caterpillar kits. Those caterpillars seem to have had O. E., and most of the butterflies emerged severely deformed. We have kept the two Monarch caterpillars we currently have in a separate room away from the infected Painted Ladies, and are doing our best to prevent exposure. What should we do with the Painted Lady butterflies that have O.E.? Some can fly, but I’m not sure we should release them and risk transmitting the parasite. I don’t think I can bring myself to euthanize them by freezing. Should we just let them live out their lives in their mesh tent and clean well afterwards? The kids and I feel terrible for them. Thanks in advance for any feedback.

April

9/6/2020 11:14:30 am

My Monarch Caterpillars have started forming their Chrysalises. One formed today, and I noticed a single droplet of green liquid on the bottom of the chrysalis. Is this a sign of an issue? I can't find anything about this.

Marcia Whitehead

9/22/2020 04:17:54 pm

One of my monarchs has emerged from its chrysalis without a proboscis and missing a leg. I have been reading about deformities and their causes. How can I prevent contamination of my monarch eggs and milkweed leaves?. One film I watched on the computer talked about rinsing the eggs and leaves in a milk bleach bath. This is my first year raising monarchs, and I realize I have a lot to learn. How can I tell what has happened to my deformed monarch. I am heartbroken.

Susan

9/22/2020 06:57:46 pm

I have had Monarchs with proboscis issues. I thought one did not have a proboscis but when I put a drop of Fruit Punch Gatorade on my fingertip she/he finally unfurled it and started drinking. Gulp! I was thrilled and he was fine. I've also had one with a split proboscis that I had to eventually (heartbreakingly, using the freezer method) euthanize. She should be fine minus one leg; they are quite adaptable! Try tempting her with something wonderful to drink and perhaps you'll see she has a proboscis after all. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Brie

9/22/2020 08:57:55 pm

Just fyi, the photo of the dead caterpillar under the “Black Death” section actually shows a death resulting from tachinid fly infection: you can see the white strands in the photo, and also the caterpillar is hanging in J from its bottom, not in inverted V or I hanging from jts middle/last prolegs.

Monica Laine Kuykendall link

9/27/2020 01:12:49 pm

Hi so I collected 11 caterpillars in late August and they all formed their chrysalides and had 9 successful releases, well 1 is still in the container cause she is not flying yet but I stray from my question. So out of the other 2, 1 dropped about 12 hrs after forming and liquid came out of it and I tried to take care of it but it was a goner. The last one has turned a completely black or dark green color and has been this way for about 5 days now. Is there something wrong with it? I did some reading and I think it might be OE but i could be wrong. Can i save it or should I euthanize it if it is not already dead? This is my first time doing this so any advice would be so greatly appreciated.

Rebecca Fyfe

9/30/2020 08:01:50 pm

We have supported about 50 Monarchs this summer. Two that were not able to fly. After several days of attempts, we have them in our care. One can't move on one side of its body (male). A female I have had for almost three weeks has been eating and enjoying the sun in a habitat inside our house, but can't fly. I take her outside an sit her on flowers to nectar. One thing I have noticed is how fragile her front legs are and that she has lost a bit of her front leg so I am careful to let her crawl onto my hand and not pull her off of anything. It is fairly difficult to handle her without hurting her feet which attach to everything. If she is in the habitat all day and needs to eat I must take her down from the mesh to feed her because she will not eat on her own. But she is so fragile. I usually have her crawl onto a tissue. What is the best way to do this? Also, how can I tell if she is a 6-8 month Monarch from a 3 week Monarch? Birthdate? I am just curious. She was born the first or second week of September. Loves bananas, watermelon, and nectar. Also, she is very smart--has an playful personality, and I think she shows trust in me. She will sit on my shoulder, fly out two feet, and return to my shoulder. Is this something that others have experienced? I released four Monarchs and thought they would head south immediately, but they returned in the evening. Thank you!

10/1/2020 06:20:27 am

Hello Rebecca

This is my fourth year raising and this year I was stuck at home like most other ppl. I had time to raise over 400! Both inside and outside in a screened enclosure.
Typically Monarchs eggs that are laid after mid august would be the Migraters, sometimes they have a larger wingspan(about 4").I cant give advice on keeping them as pets, when I have bad chrysalis that wont emerge or if they cant fly south I choke back the tears and put them to sleep by wrapping them in paper towel, place them in a sandwich bag and put them in the freezer for 24 hours. Unfortunately I have had to do that too many times this year, rarely have in past years.
It sounds like that may be the best solution for your problem, sorry.
Monarchs will head south when the weather cooperates and the get enough energy by sipping lots of nectar. Hope this helps.

Ellen Whelpton

11/25/2020 11:12:24 am

I have experienced similar attachment. I have sometimes just kept damaged butterflies and taken them out to see the flowers and fly as much as they can but now I think they have diseasea that are too catchy to do that. I bring flowers in to them but isolate. The attachment is healthy butterflies will come close to me is i come home and come when i call. The first tine I noticed i called my cat and a butterfly 2 houses down zoomed in. And hovered 2 feet away I think they know your voice. And have good eyesight. And appreciate! I dont care if it's not scientific.

Monarch Raiser

10/5/2020 01:08:36 am

Hello, one of my monarch caterpillars has no white stripes anymore, only black and yellow, but the black ones are much larger. Although, the colours are faded at all, they are still bright. It also has quite droopy antennas and it is not move it or eating that much. I have moved it in to a new container for the time being, but is it sick?

10/5/2020 04:07:39 am

Sorry, I was meant to say that the colours aren’t faded at all, they are still bright.

10/5/2020 06:49:57 am

Have you raised monarchs before? they will turn mostly black and stop eating for a day or so when they are getting ready to shed there skin and grow. If you have cold weather this process may be slowed down. If all is well it will be back to a bright green and start eating again so add a few leaves in your container just in case. If it is sick it will just deflate
Then again I am learning all kinds of new things from the cold weather were starting to get now, depends where you live mabey? I still have 50 chrysalis in mid Oct. for the first time!

10/7/2020 09:10:31 pm

Thank you so much for the answer! This is my first time raising them, so I’m very inexperienced. About how you said when they’re getting ready to grow they do this, the caterpillar is still quite black, and it’s been a couple of days. I’m in Australia and it is quite col, so maybe that’s it?

Take care!

Jenice Morrison

10/16/2020 06:00:05 am

Hey there,
I have a monarch chrysalis (my first one) and it still hasn't hatched. I've been doing some research but I can't figure out if it is dead or is still going to hatch. It formed it's chrysalis in the week of the 14th of September. Which I think that is a long time for it to not have hatched already? It is a darkish brown but in the light it is somewhat transparent and you can see the wings on both sides. I know this isn't much to on go especially without a picture. But just wondering if I could get some advice, thank you!

Caterpillar Lover

5/27/2021 02:38:40 pm

It might be that your chrysalis got dried out and died, how you can prevent it next time is gently misting it every day, don't worry it won't drown, remember that chrysalis in the wild get dew on them.

susan

11/28/2020 08:15:45 pm

Hello! So we just had a batch of about 20 cats go through their fabulous life cycle. We are new to this and had a few casualties, but most did really well. Since this batch, we thought we were done for the year and our milkweed plants have had an opportunity to regrow their leaves. (South Florida) Anyway, just last week we noticed quite a few baby cats. We have about 4 large plants. Long story short, I now have 50 Cats!! It's happening so fast... I put the plants in a mesh enclosure the night before last and this morning it was a wasteland, not a leaf in sight...and these are big plants. They appear to be happy munching on the stems today and I put my last small plant in this morning before work. Now of course when i got home, it too is barren. Tomorrow morning I'll go get more plants. I hope they won't starve overnight
So here are some questions:

- will they be ok one more night with only stems? (most are pretty big but not sure if they are ready to J yet.
- one cat looked a little unhealthy so I removed and put in a different area. Should i try to clean the area of the mesh cage where he was hanging? Remember there are cats everywhere! I can't just remove everyone to clean.
- I don't have a vacuum, how do I clean all the frass from bottom of cage, I was thinking of a lint roller unless someone has another suggestion or thinks that is a bad idea.
I'm a little overwhelmed...hope I do right by them!

I'm going to order another enclosure tomorrow and hope it arrives soon enough. Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Oh...one more question. In 3 days, temp may hit a low of 50. Will they be ok? It won't remain that temp for more than a couple hours, remember, South Florida.

Thank You!!

Kate

1/23/2021 05:41:51 pm

We have a female monarch butterfly that my daughter rescued from some ants who had eaten one whole wing. We’ve been looking after it 3 days now. It’s outside in an open box with sticks to hang off. It obviously can’t fly. It seems to be taken with my daughter (not the one who saved it) and only feeds for her. It also seems very happy just reading on her arm. Just wondered if there is nothing else we need to do. We’re in New Zealand. Thanks

August Maxwell

1/24/2021 03:35:14 pm

Ok, this women I assume is from up north, since theyre the ones who mostly comment on the local What is IT?f page on FB, for my area in Florida,(Im from Florida, thats why Im on it, ) made the most shocking comment... She said, she has seen a female lay its eggs, then a male, come along and scrape them off the branch , right after! I can find no mention of this behavior anywhere online, not that she knows male from female, but- what the heck? Thank you~ August

Alexi

3/1/2021 05:41:30 am

Hello! I have a monarch caterpillar that I think has come into contact with some type of chemical. I bought a couple milkweeds from a nursery and by chance there were already on the plant. This caterpillar was fine in the morning but by the evening he was on the ground convulsing and oozing green vomit as well as his skin is wet. I rinsed him with warm water and put him on a different plant but the others seem fine. He kept convulsing and my heart is breaking. What is wrong?

tk8115

6/11/2021 10:44:05 am

this is pesticide poisoning. every milkweed plant i've ever bought in a store has had this issue, even when sold as "natural" or "pesticide free"

Michelle Metschel

4/18/2021 04:37:15 pm

I've got tropical milkweed that just grew alongside some sort of bush that was in a pot. Have had several caterpillars and monarchs emerge. One chrysalis turned completely black. Two have been in chrysalis stage for about a month (took picture March 19) and today is April 18. They are dark up at the top, one has a smudge on the upper part of side. I know that others have emerged fine as I've found their discarded chrysalis. Should I be worried? San Diego County inland. Weather has been cooler in mornings and full sun in afternoon. Can they get cooked in their chrysalis?

Trying to find native milkweed for future planting but hard to find here.

Any suggestions? Keep waiting?

4/21/2021 07:33:24 am

Michelle, native milkweed is available at the Butterfly farm 441 Saxony rd, Encinitas. I am on the coast and had a chrysalis take one month before butterfly emerged. But I kept it in the shade.

Cody Aichele-Rothman

5/24/2021 06:11:18 pm

Hi!
My daughters and I have been raising monarchs for a couple of years to great success, until now. Our latest caterpillar was doing great, eating everything, growing well, attached and made the perfect J, and then it only became half a chrysalis. Like the final molt only happened on the head and the tail end is still stripes. I thought it was a temporary phase, but it hasn't changed in over 24 hours. Is it dead? Is there anything we can do?
I can share a picture if it helps.
Thanks for your time and attention!
Have a great day!
Sincerely,
Cody

5/27/2021 02:56:02 pm

I know that some of my caterpillars have been successful in their chrysalis and emerging as I saw one that was sort of hidden. But most of the chrysalis that I have found have all died. I took one chrysalis that had just formed and put it in a very small aquarium. Hung it from the underside of the top and waited for it to emerge. It got dark, never opened, and then a thin white string was hanging down one day. There was a hard shelled something on the floor of the aquarium. I kept the lid on waited on the butterfly or the pupa on the floor to hatch. Next thing I know, I have a tachinid fly in the aquarium! I didn't let him out and and was just waiting for something. But that explains what happened to many of my caterpillars. I now have four dark chrysalis that never emerged, and a dying fly. That sucker just won't die! He's been in there for over a week, no food or water, and is still alive. It is hairy and looks like the pictures. In the future I may have to bring in all the chrysalis that are out in the open. The ones that are hidden seem to do alright.

Caterpillar Mommy

5/27/2021 03:52:06 pm

Hello Michelle!
I raise all my caterpillars indoors to reduce the risk of flies or other pests and I think you should try that too! I feel so bad for your beloved chrysalis. I think you can squish the fly if you don't want it, or if you didn't want to squish it then you can freeze it or flush it down the toilet.
Sincerely, Caterpillar Mommy

5/27/2021 03:47:20 pm

Hello!
One of my Monarch caterpillar recently shed off his old skin (2 days ago) but his old head is still stuck onto his face! He cannot eat and is getting quite skinny, please help me! What can I do to get his old face off?!
Sincerely, Caterpillar Mommy

Caterpillar Boy

6/11/2021 08:19:40 am

We just had the exact same problem. I lightly misted him with water to soften the old head and gently nudged it off with a toothpick. He looks like he will be able to eat now! I think I saved his life!

6/11/2021 10:53:33 am

Hoping someone can help. I've been raising monarchs for 3 years now. I have about 80 cats right now, but I'm having a frequent issue with some of the instar 5 where they curl up and seem sticky on their back end and can't move very well. No other visible issues. Anyone know what this is? Early NPV? Doesn't look like tachinid parisitization from what I can tell, but wondering if that's it.

Gwendolyn link

6/21/2021 12:49:55 pm

Thanks for your informative site. We had six cats in large mesh habitat. Three of them, during J-shape, deflated around abdomen, straightened out, and one or two long strands of silk appeared and hung from their heads. Three became chrysalides. Might these metamorphosing butterflies be infected with whatever killed the other three? Do you know what cause them to die? Thanks in advance for any information you may have.

Jessica Dellario

8/12/2021 10:31:43 am

Did the other 3 ever emerge from their chrysalises? Strands of silk mean they were parasitic. Whatever dropped from them, if not killed, will go on to attack more caterpillars.

6/24/2021 04:18:38 am

My milkweed plant got knocked over during a recent storm and the chrysalis that was hanging from planter is now brownish. Could the fall have killed the chrysalis?

Karrie

7/24/2021 10:00:48 am

Why do baby monarch caterpillars go to the top of the cage?

8/12/2021 10:29:54 am

To molt/shed into the next instar.

Sharon Rose link

7/28/2021 08:34:21 am

I took two young new butterfly chrysalis from a butterfly weed this morning.
I placed them in a new mesh cage and after a few hours one of them had light green liquid coming out of it and both of them were light green.
Can anyone help, I am new at this?

8/12/2021 08:32:54 am

I know this is late but I NEVER touch the chrysalises. I'm so afraid I'm going to damage them. Try to get them as caterpillars or better yet as eggs. Most of the ones I find wild are parasitic and don't reach the butterfly stage.

Susan Woodburn

7/31/2021 08:34:00 am

New to this. All of a sudden several cats have crawled to the top of net cage. Form a 90 degree angle then a yellow discharge is on netting. Help.

Annie

8/2/2021 03:35:50 pm

I have a caterpillar in an enclosure without any other caterpillars. It recently started climbing upwards on any object/surface it can climb, and then falling down when it reaches the top. I thought maybe it had NPV because of how desperately it’s climbing up, but it’s not even attempting to hang from anything. Any advice or insights?

Bri

12/16/2021 01:59:39 pm

The same thing is happening to my caterpillars. Four of them are just rolling around in the dirt, I tried to put them back on the leaves but they don't even attempt to hold on. Is this normal?

Christine

8/11/2021 02:02:24 pm

I don't "raise" monarchs, but I did plant a couple swamp milkweeds two or so years ago. I just found a monarch that had just emerged from its chrysalis attached to underside of a large hosta plant. It was struggling a lot. It seems one of its front legs is stuck to the chrysalis. Its wings are also a bit bent on the edges. After struggling to get its leg unstuck from the chrysalis (and to be clear, it is fully emerged from the chrysalis, it is as if there is a drop of glue on its foot that won't let go of the chrysalis), it seemed to give up for a time and simply worked on moving its wings back and forth, then struggled a bit more, etc. Is there anything I can do? I feel like I want to carefully take a pair of tiny sharp scissors and cut very close around its foot to set if free, but don't want to harm it. I noticed it about 45 minutes ago, so I am worried it will get exhausted soon. Help me help this beautiful creature please!

8/12/2021 08:29:36 am

I'm sure this is late but usually you can just pull their foot off of whatever it is stuck to. Just grab the foot as close to the end as possible. I've had to pull webbing off of mine before letting them go.

8/12/2021 08:52:00 am

This is year three of raising Monarchs. Year one I released less than 50. Year two I released 79. My goal was 100 but wound up with some milkweed that had pesticide and it killed about 30 of my babies before I realized what was happening. I'm way more careful now about where I get my milkweed from. I can't seem to get it to grow myself. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
This year I have released 106 butterflies, so far. I still have at least 95 chrysalises and 50 caterpillars.

Cristina Senjug

8/13/2021 08:14:52 am

Our butterfly emerged but something was oozing from the bottom of it's thorax. It's been about 20 minutes and while his legs are moving he seems to be stuck in some wet stuff emitted from his body. His wings are wet and crumpled still after 20 minutes. I am worried it is sick.

8/13/2021 08:19:00 am

Further to my previous question, the liquid is oozing from the bottom of the abdomen, not the thorax as I earlier said. I'm wondering if it is O.E. (Ophryocystis elektroscirrha), as it looks like the image above. Or is it too early to tell. There is a healthy thriving butterfly in the same terrarium. I don't want it to get infected, as well. And, another chrysalis that is yet to hatch. If it is O.E. how to disinfect the wet spot where it was struggling without hurting the two others in the terrarium? Thank you

8/13/2021 08:58:19 am

What color is the liquid? When they emerge they pump liquid from their bodies into their wings. When they are done they will expel the remaining liquid.

Lauran

8/21/2021 08:12:15 pm

I have butterfly weed in my garden and have noticed several of the recent monarch caterpillars are dying from "Black Death" or NPV Nuclear polyhedrosis virus. This is so sad to watch and I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to prevent this in the organic garden setting? My kids and I have been overjoyed to see all the caterpillars only to be heartbroken to watch them shrivel up and die.

Do you have any ideas how I can prevent this virus from spreading further so the monarchs can continue to lay eggs and survive to adulthood? It's an outdoor garden that this is happening in. :(

Nastassia Strackbein

8/28/2021 07:08:55 am

Hi there,

First, it’s so nice to see our communities help save these beautiful butterflies. I’ve been hatching eggs for years now and love collecting eggs and building a habitat for them each year. What a privilege it is!

I was cleaning the cage and adding fresh milkweed yesterday and one of the larger caterpillars fell off the milkweed and cracked its skin. A little green liquid leaked out of its cracked skin but seems to be okay and still eating and making its rounds, but a lot more lethargic today. My goodness. I don’t think it’s going to make it. I feel terrible. If there is anything you know of that I can do to heal its injury, or do I need to put it out of misery? I sure hope not. Should I just leave it be? I don’t want it to suffer needlessly. I just don’t know what to do and am a bit upset at myself. Any comments/suggestions sure would help. Thank you so very much! ❤️

8/28/2021 03:46:04 pm

Hi Nastassia,

I had that happen with one of mine and he came around on his own but you really never know. I don't think there's anything you can do for it.

Leana Zang-Rosetti

8/30/2021 01:58:48 pm

Is there any way to treat milkweed plants that are growing outside for Pseudomonas? Caterpillars are all dying of the telltale symptoms in my yard. I'm in a dry climate (California) so I'm not sure why it's a problem. Should I water the plants with a hydrogen peroxide solution?

Brigitte link

9/2/2021 05:26:50 am

Hi,
I have been rearing Monarchs for the past 4 years , I release probably over 100 each year . I grow my own milkweeds I garden native therefore my yard is loaded with safe nectar and host plants . They are in my sunroom no direct sunlight fir the first time on my second batch of butterfly release I have butterflies that emerge they are kind of weak struggling to get a good grip . They still developed and dry their wings but the wings doesn’t close they stay open . They struggle to fly actually they can’t fly . Their wings are perfectly dried and fully developed but incapable of closing them . I have never seen this . My rearing practice hasn’t change this never happened to me before . This is very puzzling . Please do you have a clue of what happened ? Can OE do this ? Some fell twice I picked them up and position them on the mesh they were able to dry their wings but now at rest their wings stay wide open . One year I released 250 and I lost 42 from Tachinid fly . Than I never had this problem before …I am truly heartbroken I am wondering if I should just let nature take its course and leave them to fend for themselves therefore leaving only the strong ones out …and never rear them again ? Thank you very much

Tami

9/3/2021 05:36:15 am

This is our 3rd year raising monarch caterpillars, and this is the 1st year that we're losing caterpillars to black death. We've lost 3 so far (out of 34). The biggest difference between the previous years and this year is that the honey vine milkweed in the garden is almost out of control - and in addition to the usual oleander aphids, we have had an infestation of large milkweed beetles. I know they don't hurt the caterpillars but could they be spread the bacteria and/or virus that causes black death?
I also found that a 4th instar caterpillar crawled to the top of the enclosure and has made a J. Is there anything I can do? It didn't seem ill and other than being small, it looks normal?

Jess

9/7/2021 06:40:29 pm

We had our first monarch caterpillars arrive naturally this year in our garden. Our first chrysalis has been hanging for 2 weeks tomorrow. It started turning clear (slowly) over the last few days, but hasn't eclosed. It still seems like it's changing daily, but hasn't gotten more opaque- just darker black and clear. You can easily see the orange wings and even the markings on them. It's now been 3 days, though, and it hasn't come out. Is it dead? A friend said if they don't come out within 48 hours, they're gone. It's been a perfect chrysalis with no deformities or trouble that I've noticed. The temperature did drop a few days this past week (60s-70s instead of the 80s-90s we've been having), but I'm not sure if that can slow down the process once they start turning clear? I desperately want this little beauty to survive. Any thoughts?

TobyWalkers

9/10/2021 08:59:42 am

Hi one of my cats has developed a large black circular prominent dot on top of its body, near the hind area. It is lively and eating normally. I am worried because I have several other cats & chrysalides in its enclosure. What could be wrong? and what should I do?
I don't have another enclosure to put it in.

9/10/2021 09:02:42 am

Hi one of my cats has developed a large black circular prominent dot on top of its body, near the hind area. It is lively and eating normally. I am worried because I have several other cats & chrysalides in that same enclosure. What could be wrong? and what should I do?
I don't have another enclosure to put it in.... It is a midsized cat I'd guess -- maybe 2 or 3rd instar approximately I would say.

9/10/2021 11:23:18 am

If you can't separate it then just watch it. I had one that was similar to your description and it developed fine and was able to fly away. Another died a couple days later. You just never know. Do you have any jars laying around? I use mason jars but any jar or even a clear plastic cup so you can see in it. Put screen over the top and use a rubber band to hold it on. I raised all of mine this way.

9/12/2021 06:14:42 am

Hi, I have an, it seems, unique question.
Long, white worms have hatched out of my caterpillar. These are not strands. These are moving worms. The closest thing I can find as to what they might be are horsehair worms, but I can’t find any info about these infecting monarch caterpillars. Do you have any idea what this could be and if they could also infect the baby caterpillar that still remains in the habitat? Thanks.

9/13/2021 09:43:23 am

Any worms coming out of a caterpillar are parasitic. I don't know if they can attack the other cats while they are in maggot form or if they have to turn into flies first but don't let it get that far. Kill the maggots and move the other cats. Clean out whatever they are in before returning the cats to their enclosure.

9/14/2021 04:32:03 am

Thanks so much, I did remove & clean it. I pulled the infected cat out before the worms came out, so hopefully the other one is okay! The already formed chrysalis has become transparent and is about to hatch, so that’s good news.

Leslie

9/17/2021 11:38:26 am

This season I have raised 18 Monarchs from eggs I found on the milkweed in my garden. All of them went from egg to all 5 stages before becoming chrysalid. Til now, I have let 12 go.
The very last two caterpillars I have have been going through their stages normally, but both of them are quite dark (they look like they have the black death but they don't) and they twitch. They sometimes also curl themselves backwards. They eat and defecate, but their frass is sometimes liquidy. One of them turned chrysalid yesterday and that chrysalis looks completely normal. The other caterpillar is smaller than the norm, even though it is in the fifth stage, and is currently eating its last meal before it will crawl up to the top of the cage to spin a web. It twitches every 10 seconds.
I just wonder what the heck they have. Some sort of virus? Whatever it is, it doesn't seem to affect the other butterflies at all. Has anyone else seen this?

Joyce

9/19/2021 06:52:52 am

My caterpillar molted overnight under a leaf but didn't eat the old skin. Found the caterpillar this morning at the bottom of the container & the paper towel surrounding it was wet with clear liquid. The caterpillar is still alive not moving. Any thoughts?

Jerry Kapes

9/19/2021 09:17:03 am

Will the catapillars hurt each other

joyce

9/21/2021 05:24:16 am

Just found a second caterpillar on the bottom of the container surrounded by clear fluid. It had a leaf in a bottle that it molted under but didn't eat the old skin but rather must have fallen. This is the second time this happened after molting. The first one continued to lose fluid & didn't make it. Any thoughts?

kjfksdajfl link

9/29/2021 05:39:38 am

I'm sad.

9/29/2021 12:38:20 pm

Why?

Emma

10/8/2021 06:07:35 pm

This year I’ve had lots of monarch caterpillars on the milkweed plants outside. But this is the first year I’ve ever seen yellow wasps killing or eating the young caterpillars. I found two large, healthy caterpillars yesterday and wondered if the larger ones are toxic to the wasps or just taste bad to them?

Rachael W.

10/18/2021 08:14:45 pm

One of our catapillars had a black bubble forming from its mid section closer to the end. When I wiped it, the towel was a bright greenish color. I know its blood but hopeful that the pressure I applied stopped the bleeding. He/she is only 1st instar stage. 😭 I have no idea how this could happen but I am wondering what the recommended amount of caterpillars is to one plant. We have read 10 to 12 for one milkweed plant...is this correct because I am wondering if another catapillar did this. 🤷‍♀️ thanks

10/19/2021 12:31:12 pm

*Update...he is still alive and moving a little bit. Not eating as of yet. Hopeful, he/she will make it.

SHANNAN BURKLEY

10/25/2021 06:16:43 am

I'm in New Orleans (to give you an idea of the climate.). I'm planting giant and regular milkweed with several successes until one died of Black Death. Now the second one just did.

-What do you recommend to clean / disinfect the milkweed?

It's heartbreaking. I try not to get attached to the lil chubby caterpillars but I still do. - Thank you so much for your time. S.

Greg Valor

3/28/2022 10:55:24 am

I've had some caterpillars not fully form their chrysalis. They seem to just dry up before forming. It is attached to a surface but just looks like a shriveled caterpillar hanging.

Mary Susan

4/6/2022 05:58:25 am

Hi! I just bought and planted 10 milkweed plants from a nursery I have used many times and trust. However, every single caterpillar I had died except one!!! I’m in Florida. I called and they told me that the nursery they got the plants from did not use pesticides, however I just don’t think that is true. I see no aphids and they are usually quick to get on some fresh milkweed!! I made a mistake and moved them on to the plants myself, as they had eaten/stripped all the plants I had and were scattering but still kind of small. I wonder if I hurt them or if it’s pesticides. I am heartbroken and don’t know what to do!! I spent $130 on the plants and can’t afford to just throw them away. I have one chrysalis and also have had lots of monarchs on the flowers. But I am confused because they swear it’s not treated!

6/13/2023 08:26:53 am

I just had an identical experience. Trusted local nursery I have used many times, and almost all died, very stressful and upsetting. Mine did have aphids however. I am also in Florida, it was tropical milkweed. They keep their milkweed in a big screened in area that has caterpillars and butterflies breeding and living in there. I wonder if it was OE and because there is a continuous life cycle going on with no chance to stop the spread? After this disaster, I cut all the stems back and let them regrow and used the same plants and had great success, so I think I had better start doing that as a general practice now.

David Taylor

4/29/2022 01:08:22 am

Noticed a pupae that appeared malformed. I was amazed to see a green, 'smelly bug' emerge from the pupae.

Sue Lauricella

6/8/2022 09:29:59 am

Please help! My monarch caterpillar seems to look like he has black string (obviously it's not) tight around his midsection. He looks like a long balloon animal that has a twist or a kink in him. He is eatting well and moving well but not sure what will happen as he continues. He is most likely in instar 4. This is the first time I have reared monarch catipillers

Dalet Z

7/11/2022 01:34:20 pm

My caterpillar found its leaf to hang from and was in a J last night. Thos morning it was in an I and has been fidgety. (It looks almost like he's rubbing his little front legs together. And bobbing his head up and down). And I noticed a somewhat raspberry colored spot on him. I have pictures and videos of it if needed. I've been recording everything because it's so fascinating to me. I have them indoors. On potted milkweed plants. All my other larva are thriving just fine. I have 9 all together.

7/13/2022 03:08:43 pm

My caterpillar seems lifeless, is twitching and is expelling a green liquid from its mouth. Is it sick or dying?

8/1/2022 10:40:46 am

Is there anyway to save a Monarch that has fallen from it's empty chrysalis? This is my fourth year raising and every year I have at least one or two that fall and expel all of their liquid before I find them on the bottom of the jar. This morning was no exception. It's so heartbreaking to watch them struggle to fly away when their wings aren't straight. I know it will dry that way and won't fly away. At least I have thistle it can eat until it dies.

8/8/2022 09:05:00 am

What causes a monarch to not grow a wing? My beautiful girl emerged last Thursday with one of the large top wings missing. It's not broken off and there is no edge to be able to try to repair it. Have you seen this before?

CINDY HENNESSY

9/1/2022 05:38:04 am

Why would you suggest people only bring in caterpillars in instar 2 or younget? By leaving thr older cats outside, you re them allowing the tachinid fly to continue to live on. I stead, you should have suggested we bring in all cats and if any are infected with thr tachinid fly, be sure to kill the maggots.

9/1/2022 05:46:41 am

I completely agree with you on this. Every monarch caterpillar that I find I bring in. I use mason jars so they are all separated and have no chance of spreading anything to any other caterpillar. This way if they do have a parasite it isn't going anywhere but inside that jar.

Suzanne G.

10/5/2022 05:16:03 pm

Hi, I have been raising Monarch caterpillars this year. (Second time.) I have a caterpillar that just went into chrysalis today. Two days prior, I noticed he was vomiting green fluid, so I switched him to another source of milkweed. (I contacted the nursery I purchased the milkweed plants from, that the cat had been placed on and was eating; they assured me their growers use no pesticides, at all.) The chrysalis has bands that look like stripes where the abdomen is, almost as if the shell of the chrysalis is more transparent there than fully green ( the cat did shed it’s last outer skin.) I did get this cat from outside when it was small, so don’t know if this is an OE marking on it or if it’s infected with flies. I’m hoping it will eclose without any difficulty or deformities. Any advice? (Wondering if I should euthanize it or just wait to see what happens.) Thank you.

Diana Van Dyke

1/23/2023 08:41:57 am

I found and a fully-formed chrysalis approx. 12/22/22 hanging from a plastic folding chair outside. I knew it wouldn't survive there and carefully removed it and placed it with floss in a small net enclosure.

I've kept it outside but under a patio cover during our recent rains. It has been slightly colder than our usual SoCal weathers.

It's now 1/23/23 and the chrysalis is still bright green with no changes. I haven't been able to find any sources that talk about extra lengthy chrysalis stages.

I did bring the small net enclosure inside in the evening, 1/21/23 where it's warmer.

What is the longest I should be waiting before I give up hope that a butterfly may ever emerge?

Suzanne G. link

1/23/2023 10:10:52 am

Hi, I live in So Cal also and have been raising monarch butterflies, mostly inside but also have some outside. I found a chrysalis outside on one of my plant containers around 11/09/22 and had asked a friend to take it because I had too many other cats to manage and she had an extra tent. She kept it outside in a tent and informed me on 12/23 that the chrysalis had just started to darken. I offered to take it back and brought it inside; on 12/25/22, the butterfly enclosed. It seemed weak and the weather was cold/cloudy, so I kept it inside in the tent for over 24 hours. I tried putting watermelon in the tent as a food source after it emerged but I don’t think it drank from any of it. When the clouds cleared and we got sun, I brought it outside. I took it out of the tent; it didn’t fly so I put the Monarch on some lantana blossoms on a plant in my front yard; it drank the nectar like crazy! I kept feeding it blossoms (there were only a few on the plant that were spread out) and then let it be; it flew a short distance to the branches of a tree and after about an hour, flew away. So this was after 47 days/6-7 weeks in chrysalis, about a month ago. Don’t give up on it; keeping it inside may help and having lantana for it to take nectar from may also be a good idea. Good luck!

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4/6/2023 10:22:50 am

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Christina J.

7/20/2023 06:26:45 pm

Is there anyway to neutralize aerial mosquito spray from my milkweed plants? I've tried washing, soaking, using a tiny bit of natural soap and rinsing very well, but I'm still losing caterpillars to poisoning symptoms when they finish eating there pre-aerial spray leaves and I have to move them to fresh ones from my garden (that I've tried so hard to clean). I raised 10 monarchs with absolutely no issues in June, and then I collected eggs they left in my garden for a second generation. It's been nothing but heartbreak after my city spayed for mosquitoes a week ago.

7/25/2023 08:03:44 pm

My monarch caterpillar is dor some reason writhing on a leaf. Ive had it inside since it was an egg, and it was fine, then this morning, I found it writhing under a leaf, almost like a writhing backwards j as if itwanted to get back onto the leaf. It seemed to be suspended by a translucent reddish-brown dot. I carefully removed it and put it on a different, more quarentined leaf, from the other caterpillars (i only have one enclosure) and yet it still wont behave like a normal caterpillar. We continue to find a lot of flies in our house, so im now worried that it might be those parasitic flies mentioned. We have over 20 more caterpillars and one is doing the j (correctly, thank goodness) and i dont want them sickening as well.
Ive raised monarchs dor many years now and never had ANY problems whatsoever, so this is all new to me.

Thanks! 😔

7/27/2023 02:33:12 pm

Also, my j is now a chrysalis, so hpe for the best!

7/27/2023 02:32:02 pm

Correction: now it seems fine!

7/27/2023 02:34:18 pm

The writhing cat, i mean. 🙂

Maksim

8/1/2023 01:20:05 pm

My cat's name is Luna

Suzanne R. McIlrath

7/31/2023 04:22:15 pm

I don't know what is happening. So successful last year-this year? Not one. I've experienced black death (a first), anal prolapse (another first) and now, I think I'm dealing with OE (yet more firsts). This butterfly did not come out crumpled, the wings are perfectly smother but floppy. They did not fill up completely after it eclosed (it fell to the bottom but since then has crawled up and down all over the netted enclosure). He just can't fly. Do you think it may be able to fly tomorrow? I would like to post a pic of what he looks like. It's breaking my heart. He is trying to stretch his wings and flap them but no luck. They flop from side to side. Can I repair them somehow to give them backing? He looks healthy otherwise....

Helene

8/1/2023 12:06:37 pm

I have raised seven monarch caterpillars from eggs. They are now in the stage of making their chrysalis. Two have already done so. All others but one are J hanging but two of the j hanging cats did not survive. Those two started their chrysalises but then dropped to the floor of the enclosure. They are dead. One had lots of brownish liquid spreading out around it. I am very distressed. What caused this? I've never had something like this happen before. What can I do about it? Please help.

8/2/2023 08:04:51 am

Probably black death. When they hang in more of an upside-down L shape at the top of the plant/ enclosure that is usually black death. The caterpillars then liquify into a brown goo like something in a horror movie.

8/1/2023 01:18:50 pm

Hello I am raising monarch butterflies and one of them seems to have OE because it almost spread its wings but it still has them a little crumpled and seems to have 4 legs. Many people say that this is because the front legs are hidden. I looked but I still can't see them. The other one has better spread wings but also has 4 legs and can't fly.

8/2/2023 07:59:42 am

Actually they did have six legs. The one with crumpled wings flew away but the one with straighter wings could not.

8/7/2023 03:56:14 pm

Now the other one also flew away.

8/11/2023 09:28:16 am

Has anyone ever had a monarch that didn’t release all of its meconium shortly after eclosing? I have one here who looks like he still has a pretty bloated abdomen and there’s not much fluid expelled yet. Wings are fully filled and there are no other deformities, although he seems to be having somewhat of a hard time gripping with front legs (maybe his weight?!), again no deformities. I test for OE and it’s clear. I’ve never seen this. I’ve left him for now and am just observing to see if maybe he’s just slower than any others I’ve had before. Wondering if this will be fatal.

8/12/2023 07:52:23 am

It usually takes all of my monarchs up to 4 hours to dispel all the liquid. I wouldnt be too concerned. Just let him/her hang off of the chrysalis, or maybe a twig leaned against a wall inside with a paper towel underneath. The monarch will try to fly after about two or so hours, but it will be a heavy flight.

Id say not to worry untill after about 4 hours about that.

Good luck!

8/12/2023 07:56:02 am

Thank you! I did just that. I left him with a paper towel underneath and just gave it time. Eventually he did expel the fluid (although he did still look a little more bloated than the others). I eventually released him and he flew off with no issues! :) “late bloomer” I guess!

8/12/2023 08:18:45 am

I just meant “late bloomer” as in he was slower than the rest to expel the fluid.

8/21/2023 06:22:39 pm

Don't remember anything like that

8/12/2023 09:35:44 am

One of my chrysalises has a little dark orb on the bottom. It started out green, then turned dark, then shrank. Also, i watched th caterpillar enclose, and it seemed perfectly healthy! Whats wrong with it?
My grandmother(she raises with me) thinks that there is a slit there, like a not fully closed.
HELP!!

8/13/2023 06:40:34 am

Good job, Katie! And good luck with any other late bloomers. 🙂

8/13/2023 06:39:09 am

And our large caterpillars ate the plant soirce overnight, and all but one little one disappeared and a chrysalis fell because the leaf it was on was eaten down to a tiny not-even-a-stub. I was able to use dental floss on the stub to hang the chrysalis, and my grandmother and I got some new food, but what about the small, missing cats???

HELP!!!!!!!!

8/13/2023 06:51:44 am

Oh dear. Sounds like it might be a possibility that your larger caterpillars ate the smaller ones. I usually keep my caterpillars separated by size just as a precaution so this doesn’t happen (as I read before it could) and haven’t had any issues. For the chrysalis, I usually move mine out of the cages and hang them with dental floss on Q-tips so that the other caterpillars don’t interfere with them either. So your chrysalis should be fine as long as it didn’t break at all in the fall.

8/25/2023 03:34:49 pm

Some of my big ones ate the eggs and a small caterpillar. Once I Saw a tiny caterpillar one the horn of the big one:) 😂

8/21/2023 06:26:28 pm

When my caterpillars went missing (it was usually the grown up ones) they either went to pupate or came back in up to a few days so i think you shouldn't be too concerned.

Jennifer W-O

8/17/2023 12:26:40 pm

***In the picture for NPV, I noticed a tell-tale thread of (likely) mucus hanging down from the caterpillar. Isn't this only caused by tachinid maggots? Did the caterpillar have both NPV and maggots?

Pat Ruff

3/18/2024 03:45:29 pm

I grow milkweed wild in my Lemon Grove, CA backyard. I do not have cages, I just grow plants that they like. Ex: butterfly bush, hardenburgia, narrow leaf milkweed.... Last year I believe I got Black Death. The monarchs didn't eat, were lethargic, turned black and fell to the ground. I'm seeing this happen again!!! I cut my milkweed down to the ground this past year. My question is- am I suppose to take the milkweed out and replace it? Does the disease get on the plants themselves?? I just hate seeing this start all over again!

Raya

6/7/2024 08:26:33 pm

Hi everyone,
My oldest catterpillar us dying and has gone mushy. It moves a bit when I push near it but it is slowly getting sicker and sicker. I have it in a space on its own and it's not eaten any of the fresh leaves for about a week. It lays there limp all the time and has a yellow/orange splodge on the paper beneath. I've raised heaps of catterpillars but this one monarch isn't growing or eating so please can you help me!

6/7/2024 08:32:24 pm

Also he's not turning black so it's not balck death.

7/3/2024 06:19:31 pm

Hi Raya, I see it’s been a while since you posted these comments and I’m not sure what ended up happening with this caterpillar, but reading the posts I wanted to say that I think if you want to responsibly raise monarchs then I think you need to be ready to know when to put one out of its misery also. If you see that they are sick, not eating, and oozing (whether that’s blood or it’s being sick etc) I think at that point the right thing would be to euthanize it. It’s obviously not nice to have to do but sometimes necessary. The most humane way is to put it in the freezer for a few days. This goes for caterpillars or monarchs if they eclose and are damaged/deformed/ill in any way.

I don’t know what would have caused your caterpillar to become sick in the first place, but you should be cautious about how much you handle them. You mentioned “when I push near it” and I’m wondering if you handle them often or if you have anything on your skin/clothes that it comes into contact with if this could have caused it. Something as simple as a hand soap/sunscreen/laundry soap etc could be toxic to them. Just something to be mindful of.

6/7/2024 08:44:02 pm

Hi (again)
There are these little yellow eggs in between the flower stalks of my milkweed. It isn't common milkweed. The eggs are tall and oval. They are quite small and was wondering what they could be. Also should I remove them so they don't affect the catterpillars.

7/2/2024 11:38:21 am

Could it be aphids eggs? If it is, kill them by smushing the eggs with your finger.

https://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/Portals/0/Gardening/Gardening%20Help/images/Pests/Aphids_Outdoors1205.jpg

6/7/2024 08:45:48 pm

7/2/2024 11:33:35 am

My second instar monarch caterpillar looks like he/her filaments are a little twisted. I think it just came out of a molt? This caterpillar has been having a bit of a struggle. This is my first time raising monarchs, is this normal. Is s/he okay?

7/2/2024 11:39:49 am

I’ve noticed with mine, after a molt they are usually folded. Just give it some time and I’m sure it’ll straighten out.

7/2/2024 11:45:31 am

Thank you!

7/3/2024 05:07:30 pm

Hi again! I know this comment feed is for monarch illnesses, etc., but I need some help. I need help figuring out what instar my monarch caterpillar is in.

S/he is about a little over an inch. There are little white dots above it’s legs. S/he just came out of a molt. It has long front filaments.

Also, when s/he went to molt, it climbed to the roof of the mesh cage/habitat I keep my 2 caterpillars and a milkweed plant for them. It doesn’t seem to know how to get back to the plant, should I just leave it alone?

One more thing, there are aphids on the milkweed. How can I get rid of them without harming the caterpillars?

7/3/2024 06:03:28 pm

Hi Maddie… sounds like maybe the third instar. Best to handle the caterpillars as little as possible. It will make its way back to the milkweed. Mine always tend to climb away for a molt, and then after it’s like they rest for a while. Sounds like all is fine.

As far as your aphids go, you could remove them manually, or rinse your milkweed ahead of giving it to the caterpillars. I actually wash all my milkweed with a very mild bleach solution then rinse it super well ahead of giving it to the caterpillars to help prevent OE parasite. So far I’ve had very good luck with this method. I test every one of my monarchs for the parasite before I release them and rarely see any cases of OE anymore.

7/3/2024 06:07:32 pm

Thank you for responding and all this information!

7/3/2024 06:22:48 pm

Is it okay if I do not test the monarch’s after they have turned into butterflies for OE?

7/3/2024 06:47:27 pm

This is only my opinion and I’m sure there’s many different ones out there, but I would say it depends on the reason you’re raising the caterpillars/monarchs. I believe you said you have two, which leads me to think you’re just trying it out for fun, etc, in which case I’d think for sure it’s fine if you don’t test.

I started for fun and then got more invested in it and began raising a significant amount of caterpillars and in doing so I’ve been trying to research best practices for doing this responsibly. I try to collect eggs from various locations to ensure diversity (ie that all my caterpillars are not from the same parents), I grow as much of my own milkweed as I can to ensure no pesticide use, wash my milkweed ahead of feeding it to the caterpillars to try to prevent illness as I mentioned, I give fresh milkweed daily, keep a limited number of caterpillars together to prevent stress, I clean and sanitize my cages multiple times per day, and I test them prior to releasing so that I’m not sending sick ones back out.

I also keep a log and the test sample of every single caterpillar/monarch I raise.

I think the stats are something like less than 10% make it in the wild. So again I’m just trying to ensure the ones I help raise are healthy and strong because in nature, it would be “survival of the fittest”.

When I started this for fun I thought of it as a numbers game but quickly realized with learning more about it that none of us are really doing the monarchs a favour if we are just raising/releasing ones that ultimately would be weakening them in one way or another.

It’s not difficult to test for OE, so if you plan to continue raising monarchs I’d suggest you maybe plan to do it in that case.

7/9/2024 05:40:28 pm

Hey everyone!

I had a (I think 4th instar) caterpillar form a chrysalis today. Is it normal for monarchs to form a chrysalis that early? Compared to another chrysalis I have, this one is noticeably a lot smaller. S/he pupated fine.

7/9/2024 05:51:29 pm

I’ve not experienced this myself but I just looked it up and found the following - Caterpillars are easily stressed if it looks like the food supply is low or if they "run out" often and they will begin to pupate prematurely (before they really should - sometimes as early as 4th instars). - so it seems it is possible!

That being said I’ve had chrysalids that are all different sizes. I think if it pupated fine just leave it and it should be ok. Good luck!

7/10/2024 06:21:54 am

Thanks!

7/22/2024 02:59:37 pm

Hi! My fourth instar monarch caterpillar is only eating my butterfly flower milkweeds flowers and is not eating the leaves. Is there something wrong with my milkweed? It does not have and pesticides, aphids, etc. on it. Do you think when the caterpillar runs out of flowers to eat, the. it will start eating the leaves?

7/22/2024 03:05:42 pm

Hi Maddie! …I would think the caterpillar would move o to the leaves after, but a couple of thoughts/comments… how long have you had them on the plant? If it’s dry then it might be time for a fresh one. Also in my experience, milkweed with flowers are slightly older plants and the caterpillars seem to prefer younger leaves. They all seem to race for the top leaves (freshest ones) when I give them new plants so I also try my best to find/feed younger plants too so the leaves aren’t as “tough” if that makes sense. So I’m guessing the flowers are probably easier to eat…just a hunch.

7/22/2024 03:18:17 pm

Hi Katie! Thank you for responding.

I bought the plant a couple days ago from my local nursery (pesticide free) with the caterpillar. Right after I got home and placed the plant and cat in my habitat, the cat molted into its 4th instar.

The plant seems young. It has small leaves ( a little bigger than the caterpillar). S/he crawled all over the plant and did not even try to eat some. Unfortunately, I only have a very small milkweed still trying to regrow and I can't go to the nursery until this weekend. What should I do? I will let you know if he starts eating the leaves🤞 Thanks again!

7/22/2024 07:23:24 pm

Oops sorry I didn’t reply directly to your last post correctly so not sure if you saw it or not…. My response ended up as a new post.

7/22/2024 07:21:55 pm

I think it should be fine. If I’m understanding and your milkweed is a full plant in a pot, it should be fresh. I do cuttings so I have to replace mine frequently as it starts to wilt in a couple of days, but generally these hungry monsters eat it faster than that!

Not sure where exactly you’re located, but any chance you have milkweed growing naturally anywhere around that you can take? That’s what I end up doing when my home supply runs low… but “common milkweed” is pretty simple to find around where I live. I just go out and clip it, and I put it in a jar of water with a covered top (to prevent drowning)… and they eat that.

7/23/2024 05:52:09 am

Okay. I am located around Charleston, South Carolina. I don't think there's any milkweed growing around my home.

Thank you for the information!

7/23/2024 06:33:15 am

Not sure if this link will work but it seems there’s a variety of milkweed that could be growing in your area..

https://birdwatchinghq.com/milkweed-in-south-carolina/

I am in Ontario, Canada and we have it growing beside the roads in a lot of places. Actually also at my local grocery store parking lot lol…I often snag a couple plants when I go to get my own food.

7/23/2024 06:05:34 am

I live in Lockport, NY and have a section of front yard that is full of milkweed. The EPA is coming to dig the yard out. If anyone is in the area and needs milkweed, please let me know. You are more that welcome to come take whatever you need. I have been trying to check for eggs and babies but just don't have time this year. I've thrown a bunch of plants out after checking them but wany to give others access to these plants in case they need them.

7/27/2024 04:21:53 am

You can try posting about the free milkweed on your Facebook page and in a monarch group, if you haven't already.

I live in South Carolina, so unfortunately can not help with taking milkweed off your hands. Best wishes!

8/4/2024 04:46:01 am

My monarch caterpillar has been in her/his fifth instar for about a week. He previously had molt stuck from the last instar and I was able to get most of it off, but not all of it.
She shows no signs of pupating. What do I do?

8/4/2024 05:35:43 am

Hi Maddie. What’s the caterpillar currently doing? If all else is normal, just leave it and let things happen when they happen. Not all caterpillars hit each stage on the same timeline so maybe it’s just a bit slower.

8/7/2024 06:02:08 am

Hi Katie!

The caterpillar passed away yesterday just before pupating. I don't know what was wrong, s/he's rear started turning black with a large hole in it, lost most of its color, and just hung straight.

Thank you for much for all your help and advice!

8/7/2024 06:07:12 am

Awe, sorry to hear. Wonder if it got injured when you tried to pull off the last molt. I try to never touch the caterpillars if possible because it seems they are quite sensitive. Well hopefully that was an isolated case for you and you have better results with them in future. Best of luck!

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